| Date |
Time |
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To |
Message |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:12:21 AM |
ncherry5408 |
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Hmm, I can't really explain how you make money (too small a space). I never was very good at the business side |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:18:56 AM |
guest3388 |
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guest9069: usually open source writers make money by doing support, customisation, integration or consulting regarding their contribution |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:51:46 AM |
*juha* |
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re: making money on open source -- yes, consulting is one obvious way to go |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:55:26 AM |
*juha* |
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it is something we are looking at right now |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:05:14 PM |
*juha* |
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for the guest who was asking about monetizing their HAI integration software, feel free to ping me at juha (a t) openremote.org if you want to discuss further |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:10:08 PM |
ncherry |
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Thanks Juha, I was never good at explaining that part of Open Source |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:13:37 PM |
*juha* |
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well it's kind of "magical" |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:14:37 PM |
*juha* |
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1) build community 2) build product 3) ??? 4) PROFIT!! |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:23:31 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I usually get stuck at 1, though I do complete 2, I'm still working on 3 and have high hopes for 4 |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:23:58 PM |
*juha* |
|
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| 2009-04-19 |
12:24:20 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I really need to get to work on figuring out the X10 code so I can build some stuff ((playtime for now) |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:25:15 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Does this Java Stuff have a dictionary? EAS, EAR, WAR, SAR, JAR EJB brrrr! |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:25:24 PM |
*juha* |
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hehe |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:27:18 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I think networking has fewer TLAs! |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:30:44 PM |
*juha* |
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no way ! |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:32:59 PM |
*juha* |
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I was watching this old talk about API design by Joshua Bloch (http://tinyurl.com/393mzq) on Google Talks, he made a great point about names and why they matter |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:33:40 PM |
*juha* |
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taking an API, framework or language is a huge investment in learning, using simple words makes learning easier and therefore increases adoption |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:33:54 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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In 'Marc's Book' <:o) on JBoss every page has a new TLA, My network books ususaly have one per chapter |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:34:36 PM |
*juha* |
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it is a strategy to confuse the reader to not ask too many questions while appearing smart |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:34:51 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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It's working! |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:35:25 PM |
*juha* |
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unfortunately it is effective and far too popular |
| 2009-04-19 |
12:35:55 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I guess I'm jumping in the middle of the technology without understand some of the basics. Guess I don't ahve much of a choice. Now to find my little red notebook and start writing down these TLAs |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:38:23 PM |
ncherry |
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Juha, that's a great Google talk. I understood it all but I fear I have very little experience with such implementations under Java (Perl, C, and ASM - Yes) |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:39:26 PM |
ncherry |
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BTW, this Flash chat is getting annoying, I loose focus a lot and the emoticons are hideous. Can we hack this thing at all? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:39:44 PM |
*juha* |
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what do you want to change ? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:40:56 PM |
ncherry |
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The screen size, the HTML capabilities, the smiles, the screen focus, the user information the abilitiy to properly remember me when I login to name a few |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:41:35 PM |
*juha* |
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the screen size you just change the size of your window, no? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:41:51 PM |
*juha* |
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html capabilities --> no clue what you mean |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:41:56 PM |
*juha* |
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same for focus |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:42:30 PM |
ncherry |
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Nope, screen size is larger than my window, if I use the scroll wheel it scrolls up or down |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:43:05 PM |
*juha* |
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that must be a linux issue then, it resizes with the window for me on windoze |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:43:10 PM |
ncherry |
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By HTML (yeah, bad description), I want mixed bold, italitcs, colors ect. |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:43:31 PM |
*juha* |
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come on... how's all that going to move OR forward ? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:43:41 PM |
ncherry |
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I've got a scrooll bar at full screen |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:44:23 PM |
*juha* |
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integrating with login... sure on the TODO, will get to it when I get to it |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:44:24 PM |
ncherry |
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Also I'd like to have more of screen buffer, if I try to scroll back on the buffer it fails. I have to use history |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:44:52 PM |
ncherry |
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Lastly the pg up/pg dn fails, the line up/line down works |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:45:13 PM |
ncherry |
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That's all I can thinks of at the moment. (nothing written down) |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:45:16 PM |
*juha* |
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don't know what you mean |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:45:28 PM |
marcf |
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Yeah history is a little skimpy |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:45:30 PM |
ncherry |
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Which part pg up/pg down |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:45:35 PM |
*juha* |
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yes |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:46:21 PM |
ncherry |
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The scroll bar on the current screen, click at the bottom (not the down arrow). Doesn't move on the main screen or the history |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:46:38 PM |
ncherry |
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Clicking at the top fails too |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:46:43 PM |
*juha* |
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works for me? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:46:48 PM |
ncherry |
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Only the up and down arrows work |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:06 PM |
ncherry |
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Great, the programmers know how to program for IE only |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:26 PM |
*juha* |
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it's a flash app... I don't think its specific to IE |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:35 PM |
*juha* |
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so you use linux and which browser? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:41 PM |
ncherry |
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I hate narrow minded programmers they all suck! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:51 PM |
ncherry |
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Linux and Firefox |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:47:59 PM |
ncherry |
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Flash 10 also |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:48:05 PM |
*juha* |
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ok let me check on the ubuntu box |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:48:39 PM |
ncherry |
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Thanks |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:49:55 PM |
*juha* |
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I'll look at increasing history later |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:51:32 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm not in a rush, the flash chat is usable it's just annoying |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:51:54 PM |
ncherry |
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And I am a picky programmer (which means I'm annoying) |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:16 PM |
ncherry |
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... but that doesn't make me a programmer |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:18 PM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:20 PM |
*juha* |
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yeah... at the moment I'm ok with "usable"... got a ton of things to do, tweaking the chat app not getting the highest priority |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:36 PM |
marcf |
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he he800 dollahs plize |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:54 PM |
*juha* |
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yeah.. or we pay to tweak it |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:52:58 PM |
ncherry |
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My highest priority is understanding the x10 interface to JBoss |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:21 PM |
ncherry |
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$800? No 800, 650! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:36 PM |
marcf |
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$800 |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:48 PM |
marcf |
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whatever we say, they go "sure we can do it, it's 800" |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:57 PM |
ncherry |
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I can get 2 american programmers and a business manager for 450! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:59 PM |
marcf |
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juha jokes that they have one line item in their sales brochure |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:53:59 PM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-04-19 |
01:54:09 PM |
marcf |
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hehe, did you see the youtube video? |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:54:34 PM |
marcf |
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the one about "the job" with the mexican truck pulling up and going |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:54:37 PM |
ncherry |
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Be specific! Which one? I've been watching a lot of Google/Youtube |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:54:56 PM |
marcf |
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"I need a CFO, 2 accountants, 2 system programmers, must know java!" |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:55:04 PM |
marcf |
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and they all rush... |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:55:41 PM |
ncherry |
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I haven't seen that one, sounds like the immigrant farm workers around the rail stations here in NJ (they're nice folk) |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:55:46 PM |
marcf |
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sounds like "I can get 2 american programmers and a business manager for 45)" |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:55:57 PM |
marcf |
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exactlye, but in reverse, hilarious and sad |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:55:59 PM |
ncherry |
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YUP! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:56:06 PM |
ncherry |
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yup! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:57:45 PM |
ncherry |
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BTW Marc, good to hear from you. I was starting to worry that you'd moved on to other things (Rats now I can't take over). |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:58:07 PM |
marcf |
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You need to stop worryin |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:58:13 PM |
marcf |
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we are in this for the long run |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:58:42 PM |
marcf |
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and take over when you want |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:58:45 PM |
marcf |
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he he |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:58:55 PM |
ncherry |
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Actually I'm happy to be working with you as this group is very serious about OpenRemote! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:59:07 PM |
marcf |
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there you go! |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:59:19 PM |
marcf |
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did juha tell you about the latest on KNX? (or not) |
| 2009-04-19 |
01:59:44 PM |
ncherry |
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We've discussed a lot |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:00:19 PM |
marcf |
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some interesting things on that front, may be the start of something on the KNx front |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:00:43 PM |
*juha* |
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(neil: sorry taking a while, I've forgotten my password, again) |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:02:08 PM |
marcf |
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Hey I heard about a presentation on may 15 what is going on? |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:02:14 PM |
ncherry |
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Hehe Got more than 40 (or was it 50?) |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:02:57 PM |
marcf |
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you turning 50? |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:02:58 PM |
ncherry |
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Doing a local Community College presentation for general Home Automation |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:03:04 PM |
marcf |
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nice! |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:03:33 PM |
ncherry |
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No passwords, I have at least 50 passwords (or parts of combinations at least) |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:03:52 PM |
guest7713 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:03:59 PM |
ncherry |
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I'll be ending the presentation with Open Remote, of course |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:04:00 PM |
marcf |
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out of control |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:04:08 PM |
marcf |
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excellent |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:04:10 PM |
ncherry |
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Nah, just learnign PR |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:04:39 PM |
marcf |
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PR is key man... (thanks for your links btw, you give the site serious visibiility) |
| 2009-04-19 |
02:05:41 PM |
ncherry |
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Not enough! I'm not done yet! |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:05:00 PM |
juha8448 |
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so finally after an hour of trying, managed to remember my password to the B202 |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:05:08 PM |
juha8448 |
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neil> I |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:05:13 PM |
juha8448 |
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oops |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:05:19 PM |
juha8448 |
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funny keyboard |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:05:56 PM |
juha8448 |
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neil: I'm running the chat on firefox and the flash app resizes to my window just fine |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:06:45 PM |
juha8448 |
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i get no horizontal bars |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:07:01 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Do you have a browser scroll bar right (not the flash app scroll bar)? |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:07:18 PM |
juha8448 |
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yes |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:08:04 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I get the vertical and it's it's at it lowest point (slight scroll up. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:08:09 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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) |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:08:13 PM |
ncherry5408 |
|
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| 2009-04-19 |
03:08:28 PM |
juha8448 |
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yes, so? |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:09:21 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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If I use the scroll wheel it moves up (or down), it's at full screen (1280x800) and shouldn't need to scroll) |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:10:13 PM |
juha8448 |
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I really don |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:10:26 PM |
juha8448 |
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t know what you are talking about |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:11:13 PM |
juha8448 |
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whether full screen or smal window, the chat is working fine for me |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:11:28 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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It's not any one thing it's a lot of little annoynaces. Reminds me of Windows vs. a Mac interface. Thye similar but MS is more course with lot of littl annoynaces |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:11:29 PM |
juha8448 |
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i can use whatever size |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:12:26 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Hmm, it'a always there, the programmer made the flash app larger than the current window. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:12:48 PM |
juha8448 |
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no they didn |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:12:55 PM |
juha8448 |
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its just html |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:13:07 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I know this sounds like nit-picking. The loss of focus is a browser issue. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:13:35 PM |
juha8448 |
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<DIV id="flashchat"> <OBJECT classid="clsid27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/ swflash.cab#version=6,0,19,0" WIDTH="100%" HEIGHT="100%" id="topcmm_123flashchat"> <PARAM NAME=movie VALUE="http://host71120.123flashchat.com/openremote/123flashchat.swf?init_host=host71120.123flashchat.com&init_port=21127&init_host_s=host72120.123flashchat.com&init_port_s=443&init_host_h=host73120.123flashchat.com&init_port_h=443&init_group=openremo |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:13:42 PM |
juha8448 |
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and so on |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:14:04 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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No, then why is the scroll bar there? When I write such apps (the few I have written and not in flass, I don't present the browser scroll bar) |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:14:29 PM |
juha8448 |
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because there |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:14:43 PM |
juha8448 |
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s a 'powered by' at the end of the page? |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:14:45 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Browser problem then? |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:15:10 PM |
juha8448 |
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so you got flash app at height 100% and then a powered by logo |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:15:11 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Oh, they have the Powered by in a different div! |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:15:22 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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That's why the scroll! |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:15:26 PM |
juha8448 |
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which is hidden unless you scroll |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:15:39 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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And yes it's there when the scroll is down |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:16:02 PM |
juha8448 |
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anyway, why would it bother you? |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:16:30 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Because I'm not good with using just the mouse. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:47:03 PM |
*juha* |
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well I will see if we can modify the HTML source, honestly I had not even noticed the scroll bar. It never affected my focus or navigation in any way. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:51:18 PM |
ncherry |
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Juha, I'd say that it's probably more me. The problem with people who are hyper is that little things pull their attention away from what they are doing (ADD). Little things drive me nuts and I try to avoid them. |
| 2009-04-19 |
03:51:54 PM |
ncherry |
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BTW, Excellent video, wish they didn't cut it short (ran out of time) |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:19:52 PM |
jean-luc |
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I just got my first Lutron dimmer |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:20:03 PM |
jean-luc |
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with IR remote, so I can operate it with OR 1.0 |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:20:34 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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IR? I thought they did some kind of wireless protocol? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:21:24 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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BTW, Jean-Luc, are you the preson that commented on Groovy as being a cult? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:26:54 PM |
jean-luc |
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groovy? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:27:16 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Okay, I take it that wasn't you. |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:27:39 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Groovy is a scripting language for Java. |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:27:46 PM |
jean-luc |
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this lutron thingy I bought at home depot. Limited selection |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:27:54 PM |
jean-luc |
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I know that about groovy |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:28:07 PM |
jean-luc |
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I don't think I ever said something in favor or against groovy |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:28:10 PM |
jean-luc |
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why? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:28:26 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Oh (about groovy) and interesting on HD again trying HA |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:29:06 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The reason why is that I'm trying to figure out what language would work best as our scripting language for the HA (smart home) enviroment. |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:29:50 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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We'd probably need to create a DSL but I'd still like to remain close to Java as possible (so as not to have to learn too much more) |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:30:36 PM |
jean-luc |
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I still have not much of clue what you are talking about right now? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:31:21 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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One thing that OR will do in the future is have macros and user defined code that runs while everything else is running |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:32:06 PM |
jean-luc |
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You think so? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:32:12 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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So you can tell OR that LivingRoomDeskLamp.set to turn on at sunset and on at sunset |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:32:22 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Yup, I'm going to make it happen |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:32:52 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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It's a key requirement to glueing all the different product together (X10, Insteon, KNX, Lutron, etc) |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:33:15 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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We should never care who has a plugin just that it conforms to certain rules |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:33:19 PM |
jean-luc |
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actually it's BPM kinda |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:33:23 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Rules we haven't defined yet |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:33:27 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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BPM? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:33:46 PM |
jean-luc |
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Business Process Management. like jpbm |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:34:04 PM |
jean-luc |
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psuedo language to describe proccesses |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:34:29 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I think a lot more complex in it's entirerty |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:34:40 PM |
jean-luc |
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what bpm or OR |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:34:56 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Both but mainly BPM |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:35:18 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Have you every seen or heard of Misterhouse or Homeseer? |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:35:27 PM |
jean-luc |
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yeah but that is good - because than it could definitely be used for something simpeler. Yes on MrHouse |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:36:21 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The basic premise is that we have all these object defined, from the language we can access them and use them in scripts or marcos |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:36:23 PM |
jean-luc |
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Isn't the basic automation we're looking for two types: |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:36:29 PM |
jean-luc |
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a) timed events |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:36:40 PM |
jean-luc |
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b) condional events |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:36:52 PM |
jean-luc |
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where a macro would be a set of a) and b) |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:37:34 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Yes, but conditioned events can be as complex as 'the weather man say we'll have x amount of rain' so I won't turn on the sprinklers |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:37:53 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Or even more complex than that. We've seen a lot of this in Misterhouse |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:38:18 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Of curse the language there was Perl and there really is no API to create modules |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:38:34 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The users can't depend on a set or get command |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:38:39 PM |
jean-luc |
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I would say those are variables - precipatation =0 |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:38:42 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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(oops method) |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:39:21 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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In some cases, yes they are variables in other you use methods to get the information |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:39:54 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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That's where AI programming will come into play and I won't try to describe that as it's in my head and not well defined yet |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:41:37 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The final relase with all the fancy stuff is not for v1.0 of OR it's many years down the line. It's what I've seen as a trend that HA should move towards. |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:43:24 PM |
jean-luc |
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yes that's like if ... .on() then ... |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:44:48 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Even more complex the if is not a binary result (yes/no or 1/0) is more islike() and some fuzzy logic. This stuff is doable but tough to understand |
| 2009-04-19 |
06:45:32 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Alsmost sounds like wishful thinking but I feel it in my bones that it's doable. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:01:12 PM |
jean-luc |
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I don't think it's that hard at all actually |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:01:22 PM |
jean-luc |
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a lot of stuff like this has been done already |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:01:34 PM |
jean-luc |
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and a lot can be done visual as well these days |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:01:48 PM |
jean-luc |
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i hope we can add it to the modeller (not the gui modeller but the home modeller) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:01:55 PM |
jean-luc |
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like a flow chart |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:02:02 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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But we don't seem to see it in HA (???) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:02:25 PM |
jean-luc |
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there's a first for everything! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:02:31 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I'm still catching up, I'm not familiar with modelers |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:02:59 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I know I can get it to work with JBoss and what we're doing I'm just not sue how jsut yet |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:03:22 PM |
jean-luc |
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even the scripting around it won't be so hard after all. We create an abstraction layer on a software level where everything is an object with methods and attributes |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:03:42 PM |
jean-luc |
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we'll take it from there and add some scripting sauce with time events. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:03:51 PM |
jean-luc |
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Not so hard - but still a lot of work |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:04:10 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Actually I'd liek to see if we can get the 'module' maker to create these object and everyone get to use them |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:04:23 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I don't even know if what I said makes sense |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:04:36 PM |
jean-luc |
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that's the idea |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:04:45 PM |
jean-luc |
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I think it does make sense |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:04:57 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Now I just need to learn how to do it |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:05:12 PM |
jean-luc |
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a lot of if will just evolve pretty soon after we start putting a few things together. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:05:27 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Agreed |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:05:35 PM |
jean-luc |
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Now the controller starts out just being a channel to forward iphone commands |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:05:57 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Hmm, I'm goign to have to get an iPhone now |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:06:04 PM |
jean-luc |
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it needs to be able to receive signals and then have some threads running that wait to do something. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:06:08 PM |
jean-luc |
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Like a real server |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:06:18 PM |
jean-luc |
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you can get an ipod touch for the home |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:06:54 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Yes, I remember seeing that, you and Juha were talking about it. May not be a bad idea for a start |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:07:26 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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As far as a real server that's what the B202 is for. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:07:29 PM |
jean-luc |
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it's a nice device even smaller than the iphone (thinner) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:07:36 PM |
jean-luc |
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yes |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:07:49 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I hope I don't loose it I've got a ton of remtoes |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:07:55 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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uh, remotes |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:08:22 PM |
jean-luc |
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I'm going to shoot a video tomorrow about the challenge in my living room to get rid of 4 remotes |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:08:36 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Cool! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:08:42 PM |
jean-luc |
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I'm actually convinced it migt not be possible |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:08:51 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Why? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:09:26 PM |
jean-luc |
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because for example swithcing mode (hdmi1 / hdmi2 and so on) is not easy on a menu screen |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:09:51 PM |
jean-luc |
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this is exactly why you have 'professional' tv's with a whole differnet price tag and rs232 to control them |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:10:01 PM |
jean-luc |
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but hey, I like a challenge. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:10:30 PM |
jean-luc |
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I have a TV, HD settopbox (8300HD) with DVR and dbv / surround system and roku |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:10:39 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I had a rather odd setup here at home, a 1970's 13" color TV, a Series 1 Tivo, my IR only stereo, X10 and an ADI Ocelot |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:10:39 PM |
jean-luc |
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Pretty basic actually |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:11:00 PM |
jean-luc |
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does that TV even have a remote |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:11:09 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I had the whole thing running under Misterhosue though I did do some funky stuff |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:11:29 PM |
jean-luc |
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this is not your 'main' tv, or you really hate watching tv? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:11:33 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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No, used X10 to turn it on/off and left i ton Ch 3, Tivo did the channel changing |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:11:56 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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My wife watches TV and I hang out with her |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:12:29 PM |
jean-luc |
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I'm sure she doesn't watch on the 13 inch tv? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:12:51 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Man when we switch to HD only I'm left with out a watchable TV in my room |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:13:03 PM |
jean-luc |
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What is you computer monitor? 14 inch monocrhome VGA (orange)? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:13:07 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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No she has a 29" set on the cable box (Series 2 Tivo) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:13:23 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Flat screen |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:13:28 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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not a TV |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:13:53 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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We'll upgrade at some later date to a real HD TV |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:14:05 PM |
jean-luc |
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they keep getting cheaper |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:14:08 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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it jsut won't fit in the TV hutch we have |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:14:31 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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My friend has a 62 that makes a nice monitor too! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:07 PM |
jean-luc |
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the settopbox with dvr is nice but has a big problem when directing the sound through digital to my surround system |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:12 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I'll rpbably searc for one of the converter boxes to keep the 13" around for experiments. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:21 PM |
jean-luc |
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| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:27 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Sound and video switches are still a pain |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:39 PM |
jean-luc |
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in 5 minutes or so the tv sound is second or so behind |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:15:58 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Ouch! We see that on the TV anyway :-/ |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:00 PM |
jean-luc |
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then the settop box 'corrects' this somehow and the whole thing starts again |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:10 PM |
jean-luc |
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weird and actually unusable |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:13 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Weird |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:21 PM |
jean-luc |
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my thought too |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:37 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I say IP on everything! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:16:56 PM |
jean-luc |
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yeah roku is really great - in combination with netflix |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:17:16 PM |
jean-luc |
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watch directly from you instant queue on tv |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:17:19 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I have to tip-toe around that as my employer is an ISP |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:17:28 PM |
jean-luc |
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why? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:17:41 PM |
jean-luc |
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nothing illegal about using roku? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:17:48 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I can't say anything that is out of line with company policy |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:18:15 PM |
jean-luc |
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you mean on roku? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:18:38 PM |
jean-luc |
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what _is_ the policy or which part are you talking about? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:18:41 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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One must remain neutral in all matters related to the company, Roku - no just such topics in general |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:19:00 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Things like net neutrality, p2p, etc. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:19:31 PM |
jean-luc |
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ok - we won't go there then. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:19:57 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Sorry, I usually just keep to myself on such discussions |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:19:57 PM |
jean-luc |
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Still hope they have an firmware upgrade for the 8300HD or so |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:20:24 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The 8300HD, Roku? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:20:28 PM |
jean-luc |
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what's the use of dolby when you can't use it. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:20:35 PM |
jean-luc |
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No roku is a separte box |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:21:07 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Agreed, I've noticed a few vendors playing loose with HD and the sound protocols, messes everything up |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:21:21 PM |
jean-luc |
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scientific atlantic 8300HD, now Cisco. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:21:35 PM |
jean-luc |
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This box has been around for a while |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:22:10 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Yes, Cisco usually doesn't dump support on things. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:22:55 PM |
jean-luc |
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I didn't feel like calling cablevision yet. Those calls are usually not my favorites |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:23:39 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I've got Comcast, they walk you through the scripts then tell you it's not there problem. Support is not in Comcast's vocabulary |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:24:01 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I hate them for mail, right now I'm having problems with mail lists (again!) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:24:12 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I have a page dedicated to their stupidity! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:24:38 PM |
jean-luc |
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and you are allowed to say all that ? _ |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:25:14 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Yeah, Comcast is not AT&T |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:25:34 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I can rank on them all I want |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:25:43 PM |
jean-luc |
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got it. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:26:11 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I do have to tip toe around some home automation as AT&T Wireless is invloved with some stuff. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:26:23 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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This makes my life real interesting!!! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:26:32 PM |
jean-luc |
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So I won't be starting on the fact I can't have skype over 3g on my iphone with you (or the tethering) even though I'm paying over $100 per month |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:26:44 PM |
jean-luc |
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so don't say anything |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:26:55 PM |
jean-luc |
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it's okay |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:27:13 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I can say that I don't like Skype but that it |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:27:53 PM |
jean-luc |
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It's a must if you have life that extends beyond the US... |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:28:25 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I don't have a life that extend beyond Rt 18 in NJ |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:29:06 PM |
jean-luc |
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because unlike Europe, where international calling is cheap, here I even have to pay extra per month to even be allowed to make an outgoing international call. (And still being charged ridiculous rates for them afterwards) |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:29:35 PM |
jean-luc |
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Ah well.. all this stuff eventually boomerangs back to companies |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:29:52 PM |
jean-luc |
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unless you're a big enough monompoly |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:30:30 PM |
jean-luc |
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done ranting |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:31:03 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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BTW, I'm doing a presentation at Brookdale Community College in Lyncroft NJ on May 15th |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:31:13 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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It's HA of course |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:31:37 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Not sure you'd be interested as it's for most of the beginngers |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:33:22 PM |
jean-luc |
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what time is it? |
| 2009-04-19 |
08:33:30 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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7PM |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:33:48 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I'm goign to have to clean up the presentation |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:17 PM |
jean-luc |
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I |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:24 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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You may be able to take a train to get there but I'm not certain how far the station is from Lyncroft |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:25 PM |
jean-luc |
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I've put it in my agenda |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:31 PM |
jean-luc |
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I'll druive |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:33 PM |
jean-luc |
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drive |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:39 PM |
jean-luc |
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a have a car so now problem |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:44 PM |
jean-luc |
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it's a good hour |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:34:58 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Don't worry about spelling on this thing, there's no SPell Chiken |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:35:58 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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A spell checker corrected my 'spell checker' to be 'spell chicken'. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:36:47 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Hmm, I'll have to work in a few slides for OpenRemote |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:37:11 PM |
jean-luc |
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what's they audience? |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:37:11 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I'll have you guys check them out to make sure I explain this project correctly |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:37:26 PM |
jean-luc |
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sure - I'd be more than happy to look at the thing |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:37:27 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The Brookdale PC users group, a general audience |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:38:29 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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I was scheduled to do Trenton next week end but I told Dr. Katz I had a special assignment and couldn't do it this year. I hope to do it next year. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:38:44 PM |
jean-luc |
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sounds like fun. Also to get some feel for what they now and do at home |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:38:44 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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We'd better have something I can demo then! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:39:17 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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You'd be surprised, most do simple stuff but there's always one who's more into it. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:39:32 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The rest have no clue but are interested |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:41:17 PM |
jean-luc |
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we can demo stuff then. |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:41:21 PM |
jean-luc |
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Should be no problem |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:41:42 PM |
jean-luc |
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the stuff that they do in the video |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:42:14 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Here's the link to my older presentation that the asked me to do: http://www.linuxha.com/Presentations/ http://www.linuxha.com/Presentations/PPCUG/index.html |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:42:33 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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It was one of the first I did, not one of my favorites |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:43:55 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Well I've got to run, see ya later! |
| 2009-04-19 |
07:45:30 PM |
jean-luc |
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looks good |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:11:45 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Juha, I hope your working on http://OpenRemote.org/ because I'm getting a 502 error |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:12:33 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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The exact error is Site Unavailable Please contact your site administrator ... |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:12:44 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I get an adaptivist message |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:05 PM |
jean-luc |
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'normal service should resume shortly |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:13 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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it's showing the url http://errors.adaptavist.com/502.php |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:21 PM |
jean-luc |
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well - that's fine with me - I'm off now .... |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:27 PM |
jean-luc |
|
At least the chat still works |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:32 PM |
ncherry5408 |
|
Oh, Good! |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:37 PM |
ncherry5408 |
|
Different site |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:38 PM |
jean-luc |
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see you tomorrow |
| 2009-04-19 |
11:13:42 PM |
ncherry5408 |
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Nite! |
