| Date |
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To |
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| 2009-04-24 |
04:24:25 AM |
*juha* |
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ok |
| 2009-04-24 |
04:24:36 AM |
*juha* |
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not sure we can do anything about the rich editor tab |
| 2009-04-24 |
06:13:59 AM |
guest602 |
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what is up with the chat room? I cannot join it |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:57:32 AM |
ncherry |
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Juha, thanks, I'll make it a habit and set the wiki markup mode as the default. |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:02 AM |
ncherry |
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Guest602, what problem are you experiencing? |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:08 AM |
ncherry |
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tmh |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:11 AM |
marcf |
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we can see you  , you mean log in? try the big window, there is no single sign-on |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:26 AM |
marcf |
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(yet) |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:32 AM |
ncherry |
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Morning Marc! |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:39 AM |
marcf |
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hey neil, how are you doing? |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:43 AM |
marcf |
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picket lining? |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:58:59 AM |
ncherry |
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Not yet, all is quiet on the western front |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:01 AM |
ncherry |
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| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:15 AM |
ncherry |
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I ordered an iPod Touch |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:21 AM |
marcf |
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good for you! |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:26 AM |
marcf |
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it is slick |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:30 AM |
ncherry |
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I hope it has a command line .... |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:35 AM |
ncherry |
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(lol) |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:37 AM |
marcf |
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I saw juha's. It does |
| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:49 AM |
ncherry |
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| 2009-04-24 |
07:59:53 AM |
marcf |
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you can jailbreakit and there are consoles and even ssh |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:07 AM |
ncherry |
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Actually that is useful! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:17 AM |
marcf |
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I saw the OR application on it :S |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:22 AM |
ncherry |
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The CFO is going to give me some trouble |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:30 AM |
ncherry |
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oooooooh! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:37 AM |
marcf |
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it is cool specifically the image mode |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:00:51 AM |
marcf |
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I think that is a natural UI definition |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:01:02 AM |
ncherry |
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That's why I broke down and got it. I need to keep up |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:01:26 AM |
marcf |
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you upload a gif and basically drag and drop circles and squares in transparents over it |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:01:38 AM |
marcf |
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this way the zones you visually define on a picture |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:01:50 AM |
ncherry |
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Excellent! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:02:15 AM |
marcf |
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I saw a virtual DJ program like that, it had a huge community of people that would then exchange the Gif, in this case it would be a cottage industry for installers |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:02:26 AM |
marcf |
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www.virtualdj.com |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:02:57 AM |
marcf |
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The skin is basically work-art |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:03:17 AM |
marcf |
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or a picture or a drawing, and you define buttons on it through an XML like language |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:03:20 AM |
marcf |
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so it looks like |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:04:11 AM |
marcf |
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at point x,y consider a square of size 1, when pressed display bla bla and send message bla (selected through the selector in modeller) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:05:02 AM |
ncherry |
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that sounds very cool! Glad I can start to play with the touch |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:05:16 AM |
marcf |
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which is very cool, because then you have people that can take pictures, for example a installer could use a photo of the salon and you can touch that photo to turn on the lights you want. That is truly intuitive and in fact simple to program |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:05:37 AM |
marcf |
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problem with the above is that you need to know the pixels right, when you are doing is visually drawing shapes on a surface |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:06:03 AM |
ncherry |
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I think we'll need a drawing program for those of us who want a floor plan view (I'm one of those) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:06:11 AM |
marcf |
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not to mention that I spend 1 day hacking a xml file for virtual DJ (touch mode in Lenovo) and it was a NIGHTMARE |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:06:26 AM |
ncherry |
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but I will be interesting this as it may be something that' mor natural to my wife |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:06:52 AM |
ncherry |
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I've always considered XML a nightmare, to verbose |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:07:20 AM |
ncherry |
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Man if my wife gets her hands on this thing I'll never get the remote back! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:08:18 AM |
ncherry |
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BTW, despite my proclivity (sp?) towards command line, the iPhone/touch fit my definition of what the remote should be |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:09:13 AM |
ncherry |
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The one problem with the Nokia 770/800/810 was that one it went to sleep you could send it data (announcements et al) . You had to wait for it to wake up |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:10:02 AM |
marcf |
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I think we have the same with the itouch |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:10:12 AM |
marcf |
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and ipod in general |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:10:53 AM |
marcf |
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I haven't seen yet the "instant on" feature on the iphone no? |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:11:06 AM |
marcf |
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maybe an itouch? |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:11:15 AM |
ncherry |
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Rats! I figured out a way to make the Nokia 770 stay awake (and I plugged it in) but that wasn't an optimum solution |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:11:44 AM |
marcf |
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back to the application |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:11:50 AM |
ncherry |
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I can send stuff to my Pantech but it works via the cell network |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:12:04 AM |
marcf |
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the programming is with shapes |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:19:26 AM |
ncherry |
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Oh, I upgraded the EEE to Ubuntu 9.04 and that went well but took forever (should have waited a few days) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:20:03 AM |
ncherry |
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It seems to fix the video performance issues I was running into (at least so far) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:22:28 AM |
mredeker |
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hi guys |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:22:38 AM |
ncherry |
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Morning! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:22:46 AM |
mredeker |
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i got the controller compiled and run on my tomcat |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:22:57 AM |
mredeker |
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also i have the iphone app installed on my iPhone |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:23:14 AM |
mredeker |
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i can do some testing |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:24:02 AM |
ncherry |
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I'll be following in your foot steps in a week or so, I'll have an iTouch by then |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:24:35 AM |
mredeker |
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was a little tricky installing the xcode app without paying apple |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:27:30 AM |
mredeker |
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so i would like to test with my ethernet based irtrans and also my ethernet based rs232 |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:28:33 AM |
ncherry |
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I'm guessing that you will need to make a few changes for the IP irtrans and a lot of changes for the terminal server (the IP RS232) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:28:58 AM |
ncherry |
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I've got several terminal servers |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:29:31 AM |
mredeker |
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since both works over ethernet i was thinking of some kind of ethernetEvent thet takes an ip and a command to sent |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:30:07 AM |
ncherry |
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Don't look at me, I'm still trying to figure out this stuff on the server end. |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:30:50 AM |
mredeker |
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also i would like to control my mythtv client which has a telnet interface that kind of works the same way |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:31:03 AM |
ncherry |
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Juha has sais that it REST, |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:31:28 AM |
ncherry |
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The telent part would be a little different in that you'd need to login in first. |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:32:25 AM |
ncherry |
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I think Juha reference something like http://orc.local/x10/a1?=on (might have the wrong syntax but you get the idea) |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:32:46 AM |
ncherry |
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You'll then need to translate that to what you want to send |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:33:21 AM |
mredeker |
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i got the latest from svn and there he is working on events which can be "x10" , "knx", ... |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:33:51 AM |
mredeker |
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i was thinking of a new event "telnet" or "ethernet" which will have the needed attributes |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:34:09 AM |
ncherry |
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Correct, I was using the X10 as a reference |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:34:38 AM |
ncherry |
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Those would be in the server end of the controller, not directly on the iphone end. |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:34:43 AM |
mredeker |
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is the controller part all done by juha for now? |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:34:53 AM |
mredeker |
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correct |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:35:06 AM |
ncherry |
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I'm not sure, I think he has soemthing, |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:35:33 AM |
ncherry |
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He may also have more of the controller sitting on the iphone than is intended in the final code |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:36:05 AM |
ncherry |
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Everything is in a bit of flux but that's normal for the earl part of the project. |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:36:43 AM |
mredeker |
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i know, i am happy i found you guys while the project is still in some kind of early stage |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:36:50 AM |
marcf |
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http://www.aldebaran-robotics.com/download/NaoAcademicsV3.mov |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:38:41 AM |
ncherry |
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Can't see anything other than the logo |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:40:14 AM |
mredeker |
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nice video, millenium man is coming soon |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:42:30 AM |
ncherry |
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Rats, it's a quicktime video, can't see it! |
| 2009-04-24 |
08:47:09 AM |
ncherry |
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Okay, I had to make it move manully (don't ask) but that little robot is very cool! I like how it could pick up objects and pick itself up after it was knocked over |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:05:53 AM |
marcf2009 |
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The movements are really cool |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:06:11 AM |
marcf2009 |
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I want to program it as a OR remote, leverage that computer and the IR/wifi |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:06:30 AM |
marcf2009 |
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so you can tell it "turn on TV" and it uses and ORB |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:06:44 AM |
marcf2009 |
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at 10,000eur it will be the most expensive remote on display at OR |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:07:16 AM |
marcf2009 |
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it has IR built in, transmit! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:07:40 AM |
marcf2009 |
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did you see how it "recognizes" targets so you can tag objects for easy recognition |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:10:17 AM |
ncherry |
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YIKES! 10K eur, that's like $20K US, still neat |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:11:00 AM |
marcf2009 |
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only available for research and labs right now, public launch in a year they say (Aldebaran, Parisian company) at a third of the price |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:11:35 AM |
marcf2009 |
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very french as a company, I can't find the 'buy now' button |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:11:40 AM |
ncherry |
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Ah, $6K much better. |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:11:47 AM |
marcf2009 |
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3k |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:03 AM |
marcf2009 |
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still a pricey remote, but in the KNX range |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:05 AM |
ncherry |
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3K eur, 6K US |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:16 AM |
marcf2009 |
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nah, 4.2k |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:27 AM |
marcf2009 |
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1.4 dol = 1 eur |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:31 AM |
ncherry |
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Hmm, I think ZigBee is gonna trounce KNX |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:44 AM |
ncherry |
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Ah, Dollar is doing better |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:12:46 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the cable is kind for many people |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:03 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you will have all of it in parralel |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:12 AM |
ncherry |
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Of course! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:17 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the KNX guys will need to be held at gunpoint to give up their TP |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:21 AM |
marcf2009 |
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(cornholio) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:43 AM |
ncherry |
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Are you threatening me, my peopl ehave no bungholes! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:54 AM |
marcf2009 |
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(twisted pair). Someone mentioned, CAT everywhere, ipv6 on everything and POE to boot, was it you? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:13:59 AM |
ncherry |
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With competition they'll learn to give it up |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:14:14 AM |
ncherry |
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Juha and I were talking |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:14:20 AM |
marcf2009 |
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don't be so sure, I honestly do not believe cable is going to disappear overnight |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:14:30 AM |
marcf2009 |
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just not realistic for industrial or even commercial |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:14:51 AM |
ncherry |
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It's not predominate in the US so wireless will be the lead technology |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:14:56 AM |
marcf2009 |
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cat 6 with POE? what's not to like! long live the low voltage home |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:15:28 AM |
marcf2009 |
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not for industrial and commercial, no |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:15:55 AM |
ncherry |
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PoE is for the home too |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:15:58 AM |
marcf2009 |
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come on! aren't you the big ipv6 guy, mister cisco? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:16:07 AM |
marcf2009 |
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if you can afford the cabling for sure! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:16:24 AM |
marcf2009 |
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view it this way, the house of the future will need to be low-voltage, get rid of all the transformers |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:16:33 AM |
marcf2009 |
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most stuff doesn't need high voltage (assume LED) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:16:34 AM |
ncherry |
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Copper is going to go through the roof, none left on the planet |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:16:53 AM |
ncherry |
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No transformers, agreed! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:17:06 AM |
ncherry |
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DC - DC conversion (low losses) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:17:11 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you need to deliver the electricity somehow ! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:17:34 AM |
ncherry |
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It's a problem, Al is a solution |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:17:37 AM |
marcf2009 |
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yes, i am tired of my computer/TV/ipods, vacuum cleaner all with their own little thing |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:17:47 AM |
marcf2009 |
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AI? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:18:02 AM |
ncherry |
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Aluminium |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:18:41 AM |
ncherry |
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Future home will have solar in addition to the power company, the utility will maintain the system |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:18:44 AM |
marcf2009 |
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so your house has a highvoltage backbone, 220v/110 to the large appliances, the kitchen etc |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:19:07 AM |
marcf2009 |
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I am doing "geothermal" in ATL apparently it works well |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:19:11 AM |
ncherry |
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Could be |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:19:26 AM |
marcf2009 |
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and then the rest of the house shell is low-voltage |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:19:43 AM |
ncherry |
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I need to add duct work to get Geo here (heat pump) but in the winter I still need aux heat source |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:19:46 AM |
marcf2009 |
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wiring is greatly more economical (as in less of it) and easy to install, (safe) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:20:29 AM |
ncherry |
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Actually you have to be careful, more current |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:20:52 AM |
ncherry |
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Warning 1,000,000,000 OHM! Resitance is futile! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:22:23 AM |
marcf2009 |
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someone at phillips once told me that for LED the wiring would be totally safe |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:22:30 AM |
marcf2009 |
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is that right? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:22:57 AM |
ncherry |
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Hold on a moment |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:25:28 AM |
ncherry |
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The wiring for the home will be bigger to handle the extra current. More devices == more current though the devices will be low current |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:26:30 AM |
marcf |
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what is dangerous to a human? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:26:42 AM |
marcf |
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amps? energy? voltage? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:27:04 AM |
marcf |
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also why "more current" than what you have now? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:27:12 AM |
ncherry |
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Voltage burns, amps kill! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:27:35 AM |
ncherry |
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because it's lower voltage |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:27:55 AM |
marcf |
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E = U.I |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:27:56 AM |
ncherry |
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P = V*I |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:28:06 AM |
ncherry |
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same thing |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:28:14 AM |
marcf |
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yeah but I said in French |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:28:25 AM |
marcf |
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(Tp) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:28:34 AM |
ncherry |
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My French is not so good |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:28:37 AM |
ncherry |
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| 2009-04-24 |
09:29:05 AM |
ncherry |
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The problem is this with higher voltage the wire can be thinner to get the same power |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:29:39 AM |
ncherry |
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Even with lower power we still need more current. |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:29:59 AM |
marcf |
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10 times for amps for the same energy |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:30:07 AM |
ncherry |
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Yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:30:16 AM |
marcf |
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devices like computers express their needs in energy? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:30:32 AM |
ncherry |
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Not exactly |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:30:42 AM |
ncherry |
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it's still voltage and current |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:30:51 AM |
ncherry |
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which ends up being power |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:31:16 AM |
ncherry |
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the phase correction is a pain and causing power companies problems |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:31:27 AM |
ncherry |
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but that's not for this discussion |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:31:37 AM |
marcf |
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I am not following entirely, by this logic the low-voltage has more amps and thus less safe... |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:31:53 AM |
marcf |
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what I just said makes no sense |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:32:12 AM |
marcf |
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<:o) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:32:22 AM |
ncherry |
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Energy saving devices should mean a reduction in volts and current (lower power) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:32:42 AM |
marcf |
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means a reduction in either volts or current or both |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:32:58 AM |
marcf |
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LEDs are clearly lower energy |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:33:15 AM |
ncherry |
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But the current needs of AC devices vs the current needs of DC devices may mean more current needed |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:33:34 AM |
ncherry |
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Still less voltage and less pwoer |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:34:00 AM |
ncherry |
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man I need a spell chicken! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:34:13 AM |
marcf |
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seems par for the course on this chat |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:34:20 AM |
ncherry |
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| 2009-04-24 |
09:35:19 AM |
ncherry |
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Oddly enough the voltage selected fro standardize future homes seems to be 42vDC, very close to the 48vDC that the |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:35:24 AM |
ncherry |
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phone company uses |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:35:42 AM |
ncherry |
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I hope they go the -48vDC route |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:35:54 AM |
marcf |
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is there a standardization effort on that? where |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:36:01 AM |
marcf |
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that's interesting |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:36:27 AM |
ncherry |
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Dang, I can't remember, I came across it looking for something else. ADD et al |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:36:37 AM |
marcf |
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is that a US thing? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:36:42 AM |
guest4014 |
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enter the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:36:51 AM |
ncherry |
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I think it's a EU thing |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:37:32 AM |
ncherry |
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Since the US has no scientists left :-/ We'll just follow along with everyone else (thanks Bush and the Republicans!) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:37:48 AM |
ncherry |
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Sorry about the politics |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:37:53 AM |
marcf |
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you are a dying breed my friend |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:38:11 AM |
ncherry |
|
I R a Scientist! Call me DaVinci! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:38:13 AM |
marcf |
|
cornholio: last standing scientist in the US |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:38:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
I am lake Titicaca, we need TP for our bungholes, my people have no bungholes ... |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:39:01 AM |
marcf |
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that scene is hilarious |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:39:29 AM |
marcf |
|
I love beavis and butthead |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:39:34 AM |
ncherry |
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Like I said I can imitate Beavis by only drinking decafe tea |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:40:10 AM |
marcf |
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we had a conversation yesterday with Juha's GF and she asked whether Juha was "asperger" syndrome |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:40:35 AM |
marcf |
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I drink a bunch of tea |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:40:39 AM |
marcf |
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sorry coffee |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:40:42 AM |
ncherry |
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I'd guess he's probably close, like the rest of us |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:41:23 AM |
ncherry |
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I'm controlling my intake of canffine and sugar but that hasn't slowed me down. I can still do a century, come home and mow the lawn |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:41:59 AM |
ncherry |
|
I just wish I had a few better social skils, nto very good at normal parties |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:42:43 AM |
ncherry |
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tomorrow it's Trenton Computer Festival, there I have excellent social skills! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:43:04 AM |
marcf |
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what is that? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:43:20 AM |
ncherry |
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BTW, my wife has no doubt, I'm a retart! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:43:26 AM |
marcf |
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hehehe |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:43:38 AM |
marcf |
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my wife married me because I am one |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:00 AM |
marcf |
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so back to teh application, it is online |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:08 AM |
marcf |
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you drag and drop the shapes on the picture |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:24 AM |
marcf |
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this means an installer can work with a designer to match your wall touch panel to the rest of the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:27 AM |
ncherry |
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TCF is one of the oldest computer shows in the US. It has the stand PC sale part of the show, a junk yard and speakers and this year a robot maze competition |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:33 AM |
ncherry |
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Back to dran-n-drop |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:43 AM |
marcf |
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(cool) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:44:59 AM |
ncherry |
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Designers, interior ?  |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:45:07 AM |
marcf |
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you call it the wife factor |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:45:18 AM |
ncherry |
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SAF! higher the better |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:45:57 AM |
ncherry |
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When it works my wife makes suggestions, when it doesn't my wife *makes suggestions* |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:46:20 AM |
marcf |
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subtle distinction only heard by the ears of this dog |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:46:47 AM |
ncherry |
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No I'm also very sensitive to high pitch noises! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:47:07 AM |
marcf |
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the separation of roles is important in the UI design |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:47:15 AM |
ncherry |
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Man I'm going to need a wood shop now to fix the outlet covers |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:47:32 AM |
ncherry |
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Why is that |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:47:53 AM |
marcf |
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one is a designer that can work purely in photoshop, take a picture of the room, or render it stylized |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:48:02 AM |
ncherry |
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Cool! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:48:05 AM |
marcf |
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he is not a programmer, he is not an electrician (thank god) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:48:12 AM |
ncherry |
|
YES! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:48:40 AM |
marcf |
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then you are the scientist and you drag and drop squares on the picture |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:48:57 AM |
ncherry |
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Ouch again with using the mouse |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:03 AM |
marcf |
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transparent squares, that just say "on click in this area, send this even" |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:13 AM |
marcf |
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to configure a UI? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:35 AM |
marcf |
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once the picture is configured you just touch |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:37 AM |
ncherry |
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Oh yeah , it 's a touch screen DOH! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:53 AM |
marcf |
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say you take a picture of your living room and there is a lamp on a table |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:49:54 AM |
ncherry |
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That's a lot more intuitive |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:15 AM |
marcf |
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you select a "event area for touch" on the screen |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:17 AM |
ncherry |
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we're going to need standard icons for things we control |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:28 AM |
marcf |
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we need both approaches |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:38 AM |
marcf |
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but in the first one "there are no icons" |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:45 AM |
ncherry |
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That's fine |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:46 AM |
marcf |
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just lamps we touch |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:50:59 AM |
ncherry |
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In touch with our inner lamp |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:51:04 AM |
marcf |
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clever |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:51:09 AM |
ncherry |
|
|
| 2009-04-24 |
09:51:18 AM |
ncherry |
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I passed 2nd grade |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:51:25 AM |
marcf |
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where we are going we don't need no icons |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:51:43 AM |
ncherry |
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How will we know when they've changed? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:00 AM |
marcf |
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you replace the picture |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:06 AM |
ncherry |
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AH! |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:09 AM |
marcf |
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(you didn't listen at the beginning) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:20 AM |
marcf |
|
:@ |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:27 AM |
ncherry |
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What beginning (rember ADD) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-04-24 |
09:52:57 AM |
marcf |
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but it makes me think that the areas need to be rectangular and you specify a "on click" picture |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:53:04 AM |
marcf |
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that is how they do it in virtualDJ |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:53:17 AM |
marcf |
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but with crappy XML you need to hack all day long |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:54:07 AM |
marcf |
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I agree though that a traditional icon palette will be very popular, which is what we have now anyway |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:54:13 AM |
ncherry |
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My understanding is that much of the touch technology has a fuzzy boarder, so that when you touch in a generally close area it know you mean this (whatever this is) |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:54:45 AM |
ncherry |
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The icons can be as simple as a colored dot so as not to cover the entire picture but give a bulls eye |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:55:07 AM |
marcf |
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absolutely |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:55:41 AM |
ncherry |
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Dang touch UI are not bad |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:55:59 AM |
marcf |
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when are you getting your ipod? |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:56:31 AM |
ncherry |
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Probably the end of next week, usually takes about 6 days |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:56:46 AM |
ncherry |
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I told my CFO (wife) so there are no surprises |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:58:09 AM |
marcf |
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the picture you replace is just in the area you selected |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:58:34 AM |
marcf |
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think of a button that you press, you replace just the button with a "pressed" version |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:58:36 AM |
ncherry |
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Yes, of course, we don't need to update everything |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:59:03 AM |
ncherry |
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we'll need some kind of gesture to get info on the device |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:59:21 AM |
marcf |
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yes, the first prototype of OR was a picture of remotes with an imagemap on top of it |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:59:31 AM |
ncherry |
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For things like thermostats, of course thats later |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:59:45 AM |
ncherry |
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That's still very good |
| 2009-04-24 |
09:59:59 AM |
ncherry |
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We need to emulate remotes as a standard control |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:00:14 AM |
ncherry |
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But the home layout lend itself better to other things |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:00:41 AM |
marcf2009 |
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yes clearly you still need controls, but for lamps it is an easy one |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:00:58 AM |
ncherry |
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There is no one remote interface that works well for everything, ecept for the OpenRemote interface |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:01:07 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you should be in marketing |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:01:33 AM |
ncherry |
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Same for macros (macros being one button to control many devices) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:01:49 AM |
ncherry |
|
MARKETING?!? I R an Engineer! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:01:57 AM |
ncherry |
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Don't be nasty! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:02:22 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you saw the videos of the macro stuff in modeller on youtube ? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:02:53 AM |
ncherry |
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I think so, I've seen quite a few. I seem to recall putting several things together for one button |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:06 AM |
marcf2009 |
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yeah, the macro one |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:12 AM |
ncherry |
|
BTW, are we going to handle toggling in the interrum? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:24 AM |
marcf2009 |
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"toggling in the interrum?" |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:25 AM |
ncherry |
|
I've seen ON/OFF but not toggle |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:41 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
expand |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:03:53 AM |
ncherry |
|
the interrum between the remote view of the world and the home layout view |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:11 AM |
ncherry |
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toggling being on , push again for off |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:19 AM |
ncherry |
|
psuch again for on |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:26 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
what about it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:31 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
I R french |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:36 AM |
ncherry |
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Do we have than now |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:04:51 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you mean pushing a button on and off? where have you been? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:05:32 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you mean discrete commands vs one button? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:05:35 AM |
ncherry |
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Watching videos I find it hard to understand things (lack of interest) until I can start to play, hence the purchase of the itouch |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:05:56 AM |
ncherry |
|
What I saw was descrete buttons for on and off |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:06:39 AM |
ncherry |
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Sound was not workign on my EEE (dang pulseaudio hangs after a while) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:07:18 AM |
marcf2009 |
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yes, in X10 we do have the On/OFF as discrete events |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:07:47 AM |
ncherry |
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We'll need a toggle eventually |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:07:52 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the toggle is captured in one of the videos about the iphone |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:01 AM |
ncherry |
|
Ah good |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:02 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
it is the on/off toggle from cocoa |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:15 AM |
ncherry |
|
Cocoa? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:25 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
the xcode stuff for ipod programming |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:41 AM |
marcf2009 |
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and the libraries that come with it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:08:59 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
you like developping you may get into xcode |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:09:01 AM |
ncherry |
|
Hmm, I'd guess it needs some knowledge but the server may be a better place for it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:09:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
Eventually I will, one thing at a time otherwise my head will pop and my code will suffer |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:10:06 AM |
ncherry |
|
I'm still coming to grasp with JBoss and the Groovy/DSL stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:10:16 AM |
ncherry |
|
BTW, very cool JBoss! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:10:45 AM |
ncherry |
|
Finally we'll be able to manage (integrators will love that, more $$$) the home |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:14:50 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
Hey I wanted to run something by you |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:15:00 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:15:02 AM |
marcf2009 |
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you know remotecentral.com of course, do you know the owner |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:15:13 AM |
ncherry |
|
No, just the 'product' |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:15:49 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
Juha and I were talking about talking to them to give them a beehive instance with CCF or LIRC output so we can go about building a IR codebase that we can clean in a DB like the phillips stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:16:13 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
right now it seems a lot of it is "over the counter" stuff in the forums and files that people upload |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:16:22 AM |
ncherry |
|
I remember, seeing that |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:16:32 AM |
ncherry |
|
A whole lot |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:16:32 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
I don't know for sure that it makes sense |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:16:46 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
what a DB interface or the OTC stuff? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:17:14 AM |
ncherry |
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I think it would be difficult as there are dozens of the same device with different CCFs |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:17:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
Should the DB matter? Just the front end is what the user sees |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:17:59 AM |
ncherry |
|
Oh, sorry the OTC stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:26:43 AM |
marcf2009 |
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I think the DB matters, yes, think about Phillips and their "database" everyone wants it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:27:28 AM |
marcf2009 |
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once we put the LIRC flat files in a mySQL instance, offering interfaces to the data can be programmatic |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:27:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
I meant the DB as in MySQL, Oracle, etc. the contents are the main point |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:27:41 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
oh, what brand of DB, no |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:28:10 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the schema is important so that you have a clean DB |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:28:17 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:28:50 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
think about how beehive is used in modeller |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:19 AM |
ncherry |
|
Treading water here, I'm just barely caught up with the Java terms |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:19 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
we ping REST interfaces that were somewhat straightforward to build on top of the DB |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:30 AM |
ncherry |
|
got that |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:37 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
that's all there is to it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:42 AM |
ncherry |
|
Okay |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-04-24 |
10:29:49 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
but the advantage for installers could be big |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:30:05 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
scan once use everywhere |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:30:19 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yeah, they can fine tune the DB contents and not the remote |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:30:54 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
well one installer would upload the codes |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:31:09 AM |
ncherry |
|
Since they probably sell a limited set of equipment they'll only need to tune for extra devices that the custoemr may have |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:31:09 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
think about how global cache is used today |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:31:36 AM |
ncherry |
|
GC has me a bit confused, do they need a PC behind them? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:31:52 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
yes, for the capture of codes, no for the runtime |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:12 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
the point of the runtime is just to relay whatever text command you send it on a socket |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:30 AM |
ncherry |
|
That's interesting, wonder how much they can store and how much intelligence the GC device has |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:32 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
but the content is what is extracted with this learning facility |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:36 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
none |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:40 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
and they don't store is the answer |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:40 AM |
ncherry |
|
??? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
Where are the codes stored? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:32:58 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
you configure a remote to send strings over sockets |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:03 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
whatever opens the socket |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:06 AM |
ncherry |
|
OH! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:19 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
(toggle == on) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:23 AM |
ncherry |
|
It's jsut a repeater |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:36 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
yes a bridgeway |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:43 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
IP to serial/IR |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:33:50 AM |
ncherry |
|
TV <== GC ---net---GC == IR Device |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:03 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
sure |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:15 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
or PC-> net ->TV |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:26 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
or touch screen -> net ->TV |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:40 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
IRTrans is a similar thing if you think about it |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
Whish sounds more like what we're doing |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:48 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
GC is pretty upfront about "we IP enable stuff" |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:52 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
precisely |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:53 AM |
ncherry |
|
Do they have wireless |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:34:58 AM |
jean-luc |
|
hi |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:01 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
they are coming with one |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:05 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
hey jean luc |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:07 AM |
ncherry |
|
Hi Jean-Luc |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:25 AM |
jean-luc |
|
didn |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:31 AM |
jean-luc |
|
want to interrupt |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:41 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
I think we are going to partner with them btw, it makes sense, we produce UIs that have teh codes that are relayed |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:35:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
You'll ahve a lot of reading to do, intersting stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yippe new toys! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:31 AM |
jean-luc |
|
basicly gc = alix+commandir ? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
BTW, found a 28" flat screen, fits perfect in the hutch (high WAF there) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:50 AM |
ncherry |
|
No, ALix and GC |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:55 AM |
ncherry |
|
I think |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:36:58 AM |
jean-luc |
|
to replace the BW 13? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:18 AM |
ncherry |
|
No a 29" color TV, she gets the good stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:26 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
it is command-IR + IP connection (ethernet) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:28 AM |
ncherry |
|
I miss my 13" BW |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:43 AM |
jean-luc |
|
no arm / linux inside? |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:51 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
nope |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:37:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
Ah, Alix GC CommandIR |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:38:19 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
focus neil, focus, |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:38:31 AM |
ncherry |
|
The GC can be in any one of many room, not extra interface on the EEE (sorry not Alix) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:38:32 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
the ADD is gaining, yes you loved that TV but it is gone, you have to let it go! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:38:44 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
(yes) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:38:45 AM |
ncherry |
|
 |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:05 AM |
marcf2009 |
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so the interface is the IP connection |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:14 AM |
marcf2009 |
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what we send to it comes from a database of codes |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:21 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes, IP on everything! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:33 AM |
jean-luc |
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interesting possible fit |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:43 AM |
ncherry |
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If you want to controll the TV in your summer home from your winter home, not a problem |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:39:48 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the database of codes is built manually by installers and you are probably right, if the installer already has a db of stuff he uses then he just goes with that |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:40:03 AM |
ncherry |
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Easy to use! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:40:12 AM |
marcf2009 |
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and community up to date |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:40:21 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes, of course |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:40:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
One remote to rule then all |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:40:46 AM |
marcf2009 |
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which is why I was aslking in the first place if you knew the guy of remotecentral and how open he would be to the idea of us donating a beehive install |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:04 AM |
marcf2009 |
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the community is there, we have the software, it is GPL |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:10 AM |
guest7338 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:11 AM |
ncherry |
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I could see that as being very good for us! |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:31 AM |
marcf2009 |
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it would be a good thing (tm) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:55 AM |
ncherry |
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If they don't shutdown their site (which I doubt they will) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:41:56 AM |
marcf2009 |
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a phillips like quality on a database of codes, the community is hanging at RC.com |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:42:31 AM |
ncherry |
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Hmm, your scaring me, start with the remote end seems like a great idea now |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:44:01 AM |
ncherry |
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Hmm can we make the app on the apple work over SSH, for remote access? I don't like insecure access to my home stuff |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:45:54 AM |
jean-luc |
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you don't have acces to begin with. |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:47:06 AM |
ncherry |
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I have acces, within the home it's normal WPA2, outside, it's only SSH tunnels to a different port (not 22) |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:47:51 AM |
ncherry |
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Of course I have hard wire for the servers and routers for the internt and lab net |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:50:06 AM |
guest3938 |
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enter the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:50:17 AM |
jean-luc |
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for remote access you would need to configure your gateway. you reach the ORC. |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:50:36 AM |
jean-luc |
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Using HTTPS instead of HTTP is trivial |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:52:12 AM |
ncherry |
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No it isn't. Port 443 is constantly under attack and opening more ports on the firewall is not a good idea. A ssh tunnel is the best solution for my needs |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:57:11 AM |
ncherry |
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BTW, with things such as the dsnalias.org services it's easy to get a 'domain' for the dynamic IP customers. I use it all the time |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:58:12 AM |
jean-luc |
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i think with our current offering it's not an issue yet. My wife would go crazy if I would shut of the TV from a distance while she if watching |
| 2009-04-24 |
10:59:23 AM |
ncherry |
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My wife would suspect me immediately. There is one lamp i use for testing and she is quite used to tht one going on and off when I'm not home. |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:00:36 AM |
ncherry |
|
Of course leaving her with a remote has caused interesting debugging problems. She once stood outside my door for 5 minutes turn off the lamp I was testing with after I turned it on. I didn't realize it was her until she started laughing! |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:01:33 AM |
jean-luc |
|
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| 2009-04-24 |
11:02:34 AM |
ncherry |
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Wifey rule number 1, don't kill him he won't learn nothing! |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:03:03 AM |
ncherry |
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Wait that was Wifey is always right sorry (I'll learn . ) |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:05:25 AM |
marcf2009 |
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Hey jean luc, did you start the PR? |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:05:53 AM |
jean-luc |
|
the document or the PR |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:05:53 AM |
marcf2009 |
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Nathalie offered to take it over and write it |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:06:01 AM |
marcf2009 |
|
the PR document |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:06:11 AM |
jean-luc |
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sure, I didn't ad to the one I send you content wise |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:06:23 AM |
jean-luc |
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I was just working on some planning 'to do's' |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:06:25 AM |
marcf2009 |
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she needs "bullet point", Ok I will work from that then |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:07:03 AM |
jean-luc |
|
can't (and won't) compete with your cosyness |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:10:21 AM |
marcf6310 |
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well here is the thing: she saw how much traffic we get on the site and she went "hmmmmmm" |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:10:36 AM |
jean-luc |
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mmm looks a something real. |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:10:39 AM |
jean-luc |
|
playtime is over ... |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:10:41 AM |
jean-luc |
|
good |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:10:55 AM |
marcf6310 |
|
she said "you are not even trying that hard" |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:11:01 AM |
jean-luc |
|
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| 2009-04-24 |
11:11:24 AM |
marcf6310 |
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so, let's try a bit harder and see what we get |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:11:33 AM |
marcf6310 |
|
(good stuff yesterday btw) |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:11:33 AM |
jean-luc |
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totally agree, this is why we need some serious planning I think for the May PR and launch + amsterdam |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:11:56 AM |
jean-luc |
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(including the translations and other stuff.) |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:12:02 AM |
jean-luc |
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busy month coming up |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:14:22 AM |
ncherry |
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Dang this thing at the end of May sounds more tempting each day |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:14:31 AM |
mredeker |
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hi guys |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:14:37 AM |
ncherry |
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Hi |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:14:46 AM |
marcf6310 |
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hey marcus |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:15:02 AM |
mredeker |
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i got everything compiled and running on my mac and iphone |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:19:08 AM |
mredeker |
|
test |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:19:33 AM |
marcf6310 |
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Hey Marcus.... gimme a minute on skype with jean luc |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:28:48 AM |
ncherry |
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(I know you're on the 'phone' ) - You know what we really need for PR? An article in something like Wired or some other magazine (actually online stuff would be better as it would be sooner - dead tree format is too slow). |
| 2009-04-24 |
11:31:03 AM |
ncherry |
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Of source a post to Slashdot wouldn't be a bad idea too (Juha you ready for the flood and frist posts? ) (6) |
| 2009-04-24 |
12:56:22 PM |
LinuxHA |
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To the person who suggested that Groovy is a cult (they may still be right), I'm liking Groovy for my OpenRemote scripting language. The fact that I can overload the '+' is another notch on my gun. It's not perfect but useful. |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:11:57 PM |
marcf6310 |
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shoot missed marcus |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:12:27 PM |
LinuxHA |
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C'est la vie |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:35:57 PM |
guest1414 |
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hey guys. how can I join the Skype chat? {} |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:29 PM |
marcf |
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the skype chat is dead, this is the new chat |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:40 PM |
ncherry |
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Thanks Marc |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:41 PM |
guest1414 |
|
oh. is this an IRC chat? {} |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:46 PM |
ncherry |
|
no |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:50 PM |
ncherry |
|
Flash chat |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:36:58 PM |
guest1414 |
|
ok. there's no more convenient way to access it? {} |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:03 PM |
ncherry |
|
Correct |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:08 PM |
marcf |
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you can go full screen |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:20 PM |
ncherry |
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Full screen works well |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:30 PM |
niklas |
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thanks. its better this is me on fullscreen |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:39 PM |
ncherry |
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Welcome! |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:42 PM |
niklas |
|
thanks |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:37:54 PM |
niklas |
|
I'm doing a project very similar to OpenRemote |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:38:03 PM |
marcf |
|
what's the name? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:38:09 PM |
ncherry |
|
and In what ways? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:38:35 PM |
niklas |
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Its super unknown. It is called SupeRemote for now, can be found at http://code.google.com/p/superemote/ |
| 2009-04-24 |
06:38:48 PM |
niklas |
|
it is also a software framework for digital homes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:38:53 PM |
niklas |
|
plugins handle functionality |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:39:15 PM |
niklas |
|
Im looking into OR now, dont know the details about it yet |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:39:27 PM |
ncherry |
|
Can you add plugins dynamically? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:39:33 PM |
niklas |
|
yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:39:43 PM |
niklas |
|
mine is using Qt toolkit |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:39:51 PM |
niklas |
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thus cross platform |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:08 PM |
ncherry |
|
Java is cross platform, QT runs on Windows? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:14 PM |
marcf |
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Qt is the uI? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:15 PM |
niklas |
|
OR is for Linux? aiming for a dist? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:28 PM |
marcf |
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OR is for Linux yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:29 PM |
niklas |
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yes Qt runs on "all" platforms(Mac, Win, Linux etc) |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:43 PM |
ncherry |
|
It's C++ right? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:44 PM |
niklas |
|
marcf: ul? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:46 PM |
marcf |
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Qt is for the server itself? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:46 PM |
niklas |
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right |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:48 PM |
marcf |
|
UI |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:40:54 PM |
niklas |
|
exactly. for the server back-end |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:05 PM |
marcf |
|
what do you use for the UI |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:14 PM |
ncherry |
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QT is the UI, I don't think QT is the server |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:16 PM |
niklas |
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I just started working on a web UI. it is for the first prototype |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:21 PM |
niklas |
|
its due in 2 weeks |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:34 PM |
guest2704 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:41:54 PM |
niklas |
|
Im using this project in my bachelor thesis. going to do a test with persons in 2 weeks so I have to be done by then prototype has to be done |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:03 PM |
niklas |
|
Qt is not only UI |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:11 PM |
niklas |
|
I don't have a Graphical UI yet |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:16 PM |
ncherry |
|
Learn something new every day |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:21 PM |
niklas |
|
Qt is a toolkit for everything |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:38 PM |
niklas |
|
http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/ |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:42:49 PM |
niklas |
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I use it for plugin loading, networking etc etc |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:43:18 PM |
marcf |
|
how can we help you? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:43:39 PM |
niklas |
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dunno. Im just interested in OR since it is so similar. Im reading up on it to find out what the differences are |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:44:22 PM |
ncherry |
|
Sounds similar, I'm looking for world domination |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:44:28 PM |
niklas |
|
|
| 2009-04-24 |
01:44:41 PM |
marcf |
|
we start we the UI |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:44:58 PM |
marcf |
|
our goal is UI generation on iphone and Asus tablet (touch stuff) |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:08 PM |
marcf |
|
then we integrate with many runtimes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:10 PM |
marcf |
|
X10, IR, KNX today |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:20 PM |
marcf |
|
many others in teh work, all Open Source like you did |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:24 PM |
ncherry |
|
Insteon, ZWave, ZigBee too |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:32 PM |
marcf |
|
we have a strong "professional" community feel |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:43 PM |
niklas |
|
marcf: agreed |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:53 PM |
niklas |
|
my project is quite the opposite hehe |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:45:56 PM |
ncherry |
|
I also want a scripting language |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:02 PM |
ncherry |
|
Opposite? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:16 PM |
niklas |
|
I mean the community. your community seems professional and well established |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:23 PM |
marcf |
|
I didn't mean "student/professional" apologies if you take it like that |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:24 PM |
niklas |
|
my project is unknown |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:26 PM |
guest6084 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:32 PM |
niklas |
|
I know, I got it |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:35 PM |
marcf |
|
also we are a fairly new community |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:48 PM |
marcf |
|
we have a few students in teh community |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:46:52 PM |
ncherry |
|
But known |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:47:13 PM |
niklas |
|
the community of my project consists of me and an inactive member |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:47:13 PM |
ncherry |
|
We're all student in some way, just some of us get paid too |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:47:15 PM |
marcf |
|
what I meant was that we do cater to the professional world |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:47:22 PM |
niklas |
|
you get paid for coding on OR? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:48:34 PM |
marcf |
|
we follow a professional open source model, meaning if there is a business around the codebase we will try to develop it |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:48:43 PM |
marcf |
|
so we can work on our passion and make a living |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:48:49 PM |
niklas |
|
ok cool |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:48:53 PM |
marcf |
|
who do you integrate with in the runtime? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:48:59 PM |
marcf |
|
where are you based? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:49:04 PM |
niklas |
|
who? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:49:07 PM |
niklas |
|
Im in Sweden |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:49:20 PM |
marcf |
|
when you turn lights on and off, what hardware is that |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:49:28 PM |
marcf |
|
x10, KNX... Lutron? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:49:59 PM |
marcf |
|
did you develop integration to runtime, we are always interested in these |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:50:34 PM |
niklas |
|
ah. that is handled on plugins. I have not done many plugins myself yet. got a media browsing plugin for browsing media files, a media playback plugin and about to develop a plugin for light switches, don't know the name of that protocol but its wireless |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:50:54 PM |
marcf |
|
zigbee probably |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:50:57 PM |
niklas |
|
I wonder what the OR interface for plugins look like? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:51:10 PM |
marcf |
|
It is still under development by juha |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:51:27 PM |
niklas |
|
ah |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:51:51 PM |
marcf |
|
if you think you have some valuable in the interface definition, do let us via via a post on the forum so we can track it |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:04 PM |
niklas |
|
sure |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:13 PM |
marcf |
|
what are you going to do with teh code when you graduate? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:20 PM |
marcf |
|
what are you going to do with yourself? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:22 PM |
niklas |
|
plugins are jar-files? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:26 PM |
marcf |
|
yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:32 PM |
marcf |
|
java |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:35 PM |
niklas |
|
I'm looking for jobs right now |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:53 PM |
niklas |
|
ok, so no scripting language. no limits great |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:56 PM |
niklas |
|
limitations |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:52:59 PM |
ncherry |
|
I like to call them modules (someone need to name them so I have a standard to work with) |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:09 PM |
niklas |
|
ok. true |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:13 PM |
ncherry |
|
Scripting a limit? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:30 PM |
niklas |
|
could be. depends on the scripting language |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:42 PM |
marcf |
|
you are going to piss neil off |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:46 PM |
niklas |
|
why? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:53:48 PM |
ncherry |
|
Technically scripting is another plugin |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:05 PM |
marcf |
|
he likes scripting language, (and he is right about that too) |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:07 PM |
ncherry |
|
I like scriptina nd have been nuts for it (along with the hardware) |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:12 PM |
niklas |
|
hehe |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:37 PM |
ncherry |
|
I'm looking at Groovy but JPython could just as easily be plug'd in |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:50 PM |
ncherry |
|
or Javascript ... you get the idea |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:54:59 PM |
marcf |
|
Qt is a library right? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:55:07 PM |
niklas |
|
marcf: right |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:55:24 PM |
niklas |
|
a huge one |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:55:36 PM |
marcf |
|
At OR you will find UI generation |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:55:38 PM |
marcf |
|
UI deployment |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:55:49 PM |
marcf |
|
runtime integration for field deployment |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:02 PM |
marcf |
|
hardware for those that need it |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:08 PM |
marcf |
|
iphone directly to IP for those that don't |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:16 PM |
niklas |
|
string representations of UI widgets are sent to the panel(thats the word for the remote control software right?) and then it renders it? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:27 PM |
marcf |
|
focus on touch interfaces |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:32 PM |
marcf |
|
pretty much yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:36 PM |
niklas |
|
ok. Im doing same |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:56:58 PM |
niklas |
|
are the UI going to become more customizable than it is now in the UI generator website? |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:01 PM |
marcf |
|
we have videos in the youtube section that you may find useful |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:04 PM |
niklas |
|
like specify size of buttons etc |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:28 PM |
marcf |
|
yes |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:34 PM |
niklas |
|
ok great |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:47 PM |
marcf |
|
you can see the log of today for an idea of what is being kicked around |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:57:59 PM |
ncherry |
|
BIG log today! |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:58:03 PM |
niklas |
|
okay I |
| 2009-04-24 |
01:58:06 PM |
niklas |
|
I'll have a look |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:02:23 PM |
niklas |
|
you guys have many plugins being developed? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:02:50 PM |
LinuxHA |
|
I think Juha has three though I'm not certain |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:03:10 PM |
LinuxHA |
|
It's a little complicated and it's not the brunt of his work at teh moment |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:03:22 PM |
marcf6310 |
|
current support (at different stages) X10, KNX, IR |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:03:40 PM |
niklas |
|
okay, I see |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:03:42 PM |
marcf6310 |
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I need to go out |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:03:54 PM |
niklas |
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alright. bye bye marcf |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:04:01 PM |
LinuxHA |
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I'll also be leaving soon |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:04:22 PM |
marcf6310 |
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niklas, nice meeting you, if you think you want to help us along and want to continue the work in open source let us know |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:04:37 PM |
niklas |
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the iPhone IR demo, is it using IR through the computer? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:06 PM |
marcf6310 |
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iphone -> Alix -> command IR -> Apple |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:12 PM |
LinuxHA |
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Through the ASUS EEE B202 box we spec in the reference document |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:13 PM |
niklas |
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marc: dito. I'm guessing the plugin interface will be very similar. if so I might port some |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:35 PM |
marcf6310 |
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sorry not alix asus, thanks neil |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:39 PM |
LinuxHA |
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THe Alix is also a reference suggestion |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:47 PM |
niklas |
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thank you. sorry, haven't learned how to find my way around the website quite yet |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:05:49 PM |
LinuxHA |
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But it's older, |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:06:39 PM |
LinuxHA |
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The Apple in this case is an device we can control (TV, Stero, etc) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:06:45 PM |
niklas |
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do you know how well it works? can computer in a room with other IR devices communicate? without being directed |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:06:54 PM |
LinuxHA |
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AH, I need a spell chicken real bad |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:07:13 PM |
niklas |
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spell chicken  |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:07:24 PM |
LinuxHA |
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(running joke) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:07:50 PM |
niklas |
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your community got running jokes and all  |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:07:57 PM |
marcf6310 |
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if you are looking for an integratio nwith cheap hardware look at Global Cache, it will set you back 200 but you will test IR, Serial and contact closure |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:08:10 PM |
LinuxHA |
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With the IR on either a ethernet attached device the main computer can be in a nother room and instruct the IR to send what's needed |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:08:12 PM |
marcf6310 |
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enough hardware to really test, otherwise you are not testing anything |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:08:23 PM |
marcf6310 |
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that is a open task at OR as well |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:09:16 PM |
LinuxHA |
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I think I'm the running joke (well riding joke ) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:09:17 PM |
niklas |
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thanks, did not know about Global Cache. seems like a good product |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:09:48 PM |
LinuxHA |
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Which leads to my exit stage left ... bye |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:09:56 PM |
niklas |
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bye LinuxHA |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:31:10 PM |
juha2280 |
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damn, even with all the register et al publicity, linuxha is still the top external traffic source |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:31:32 PM |
juha2280 |
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I am impressed. |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:32:42 PM |
juha2280 |
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eclipsing the register, pretty nice ! |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:34:46 PM |
juha2280 |
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we get peaks from publications but steady stream from linuxha |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:34:54 PM |
juha2280 |
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steady wins the race so far |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:50:46 PM |
Steff |
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Anybody out here? I am here the first time. Didn't know about OpenRemote before. Is it very popular yet? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:51:11 PM |
juha2280 |
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yes, we are the sexiest thing on the Internets ! |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:52:06 PM |
Steff |
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I know two Juha from Helsinki. They have the same homour |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:52:12 PM |
juha2280 |
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(in reality we are still working towards our first release) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:52:25 PM |
juha2280 |
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cool |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:52:52 PM |
Steff |
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Looks like no company is envolved yet... |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:52:59 PM |
juha2280 |
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there is |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:53:04 PM |
juha2280 |
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OpenRemote Inc. |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:53:36 PM |
Steff |
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Ok. But all the expensive player on the market will not join, right? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:54:04 PM |
juha2280 |
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Sooner or later they will realize they have no other choice... |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:54:17 PM |
Steff |
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Yes, I aggree. |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:54:31 PM |
juha2280 |
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(but our stated goal is to integrate with as many existing legacy systems as possible) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:54:48 PM |
juha2280 |
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we are about software integration of HA at this point, hardware will come later |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:55:45 PM |
Steff |
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Right now I am connecting my heating system, solar system, weather station and electric meter to lower my energy consumption. Looks like I could use some of your stuff... |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:56:06 PM |
juha2280 |
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cool, what do you use to do all that? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:56:22 PM |
guest4189 |
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enter the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:56:40 PM |
guest4189 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:56:59 PM |
Steff |
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Well, many different devices, hardware adapters and software is not finished yet |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:57:53 PM |
juha2280 |
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so you are building it all yourself? |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:58:19 PM |
juha2280 |
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(software is not finished yet -- thats the part we can do) |
| 2009-04-24 |
02:58:53 PM |
Steff |
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I am only integration the propetary hardware and share the information on the web (www.pachube.com) |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:00:01 PM |
juha2280 |
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ahh I think I've been on your site |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:00:44 PM |
Steff |
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pachube is not my side. I just provide one sensor feed there... |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:00:51 PM |
juha2280 |
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ok i see |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:01:36 PM |
Steff |
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Does OpenRemote have software interface to heating devices? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:02:18 PM |
juha2280 |
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no, we havent done generic device categories yet, integrating control protocols at the moment |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:02:56 PM |
Steff |
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What does that mean? KNX and others? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:03:14 PM |
mredeker |
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enter the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:03:14 PM |
guest2279 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:03:28 PM |
mredeker |
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hi guys |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:03:57 PM |
juha2280 |
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KNX, X10 etc... basically means we are still working on adding and integrating protocol level constructs such as addresses or protocol commands rather than higher level interfaces such as heating device |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:04:40 PM |
juha2280 |
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so we are talking 1/2/3 1 bit instead of heater.setTemperature(22); |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:05:48 PM |
juha2280 |
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and we dont have anything specific heater control protocols either |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:06:10 PM |
juha2280 |
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(dont know what heaters use?) |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:06:15 PM |
mredeker |
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juha, did you see my posts in the forum? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:06:29 PM |
juha2280 |
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not yet, sorry still traveling |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:06:41 PM |
juha2280 |
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dont have my usual mail notifications available to me |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:07:13 PM |
juha2280 |
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checking now.. |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:08:58 PM |
juha2280 |
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my skype id is : juhalindfors |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:11:49 PM |
juha2280 |
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yes, generic IP socket even absolutely makes sense |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:24 PM |
juha2280 |
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its the first steps to generic scripting interfaces |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:37 PM |
juha2280 |
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s/even/event/g |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:47 PM |
Steff |
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Enjoy your work! |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:52 PM |
Steff |
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Bye. |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:54 PM |
Steff |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:12:57 PM |
juha2280 |
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laters steff' |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:14:18 PM |
mredeker |
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my skype won't find you |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:14:37 PM |
mredeker |
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do you have skype open? maybe you can try reach me? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:14:59 PM |
juha2280 |
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ok send me your id, Im not on my usual laptop, maybe thats why |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:15:39 PM |
mredeker |
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lt.cdr.data |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:16:09 PM |
juha2280 |
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star trek fan huh? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:16:34 PM |
mredeker |
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yepp |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:16:46 PM |
guest640 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:16:53 PM |
niklas |
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hello juha. I'm wondering about the OR plugin interface. do you know roughly what it will look like? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:17:10 PM |
juha2280 |
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not yet |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:17:11 PM |
niklas |
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wondering because I'm developing a software VERY similar to OR it seems |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:17:29 PM |
niklas |
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perhaps I could port some plugins(from mine to yours) later |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:17:41 PM |
juha2280 |
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that would be interesting... |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:17:52 PM |
juha2280 |
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where can I take a look at your SPI? |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:18:02 PM |
juha2280 |
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marcus: cant see you either |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:18:11 PM |
juha2280 |
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skype is funky |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:18:23 PM |
juha2280 |
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might need to wait until im back at the "office" |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:18:29 PM |
niklas |
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basically what I want is to look more into OR. get to know it, and compare with my solution. I have to do that, as this is also the topic of my bachelor thesis at uni |
| 2009-04-24 |
03:18:46 PM |
juha2280 |
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ok |
