| Date |
Time |
From |
To |
Message |
| 2009-04-27 |
12:59:13 AM |
guest5797 |
|
hi whats up |
| 2009-04-27 |
03:37:49 AM |
*juha* |
|
hmm I did? |
| 2009-04-27 |
03:38:05 AM |
*juha* |
|
must have been an accident... I was adjusting other CSS for the forum threads |
| 2009-04-27 |
03:54:44 AM |
*juha* |
|
[Off Topic] Monty's open invitation for MySQL developers to join his new startup: http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/04/to-be-free-or-not-to-be-free.html |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:16:20 AM |
*juha* |
|
Neil, you should be able to create a blog entry in your personal space now. |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:35:36 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Thanks Juha (morning  |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:39:27 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Juha, has the new IP code been added to the svn? |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:51:12 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
BTW, using eeebuntu with the B202 may not be such a good idea as it's a desktop Linux. We reallly need to have a server distribution for the field boxes. desktop distributions are not well tuned for server use and I can't remember off the top of my head what problems it caused. |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:58:20 AM |
jean-luc |
|
Agree Neil... But people will use it in all possible places. |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:59:04 AM |
jean-luc |
|
Also for people like me ubuntu is an easier starting point |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:59:25 AM |
jean-luc |
|
I'm waiting for my Alix box to arrive to put it on that as well |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:59:38 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Agreed, just wanted it to be know that some unusual problem may occur. That way when we get to the field installs we'll work with something else (the player to be named later ) |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:00:35 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Thanks for all the work on the forums. The small change on the css too care of the problem. I can now get to the full screen editor. I couldn't do that before. |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:00:52 AM |
LinuxHA |
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BTW, do we have an RSS feed for the site's updates? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:01:21 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Oops, sorry Jean-Luc thought you were Juha |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:03:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
you can have a preconfigured RSS feeds on our news, community blogs and forum posts |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:03:22 AM |
*juha* |
|
you can create your custom RSS feed from the "Feeds" page |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:03:42 AM |
*juha* |
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you can subscribe to a daily email update for *all* changes on the site from your profile page |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:05:59 AM |
*juha* |
|
http://openremote.org/display/project/Feeds |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:06:27 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Thanks! |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:08:39 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
BTW, Jean-Luc the Alix box is the perfect box for testing working code as it has less horsepower. The one problem with it is that there is no hard drive. I'm not sure how well a working OpenRemote installation will run on it's compact flash. Maybe a USB drive will be acceptable. |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:09:02 AM |
jean-luc |
|
what's wrong with flashdrive? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:10:38 AM |
LinuxHA |
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With a few modules such as the scripting engine, a few device/protocol module and the OS I think 2G is going to be a tight squeeze. Also you really can't write db information to the flash. You'll eventually kill it. |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:11:58 AM |
jean-luc |
|
for know there is no DB |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:12:00 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Since we don't have a fully working OR yet it's difficult to say if 2G will be enough storage. It is possible to get microdrives but I think the B202 would be a better fit at that point anyway abd the Alix be use in remote situations |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:12:59 AM |
jean-luc |
|
I'm not going to even think about all this. I'll let you guys figure all that out |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:13:00 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Correct but I expect that to change as the complexity of OpenRemote increases. I fully expect this to be a very powerful Smart Home Center |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:13:06 AM |
*juha* |
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we do have a 4GB flash on the BOM, no? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:13:33 AM |
*juha* |
|
re: CF wear... maybe |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:13:39 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
I think we may need bigger later on |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:13:53 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
CF wear will be a huge problem if we write to it |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:05 AM |
*juha* |
|
don't get too hung up on alix, or these issues |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:20 AM |
*juha* |
|
the whole point of exercise is you can get suitable hardware for your installation |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:22 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
I'm not the software is primary! |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:42 AM |
*juha* |
|
we haven't even defined the product yet wrt Home vs Pro |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:53 AM |
*juha* |
|
cheap box (alix like) vs server rack |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:02 AM |
*juha* |
|
do we even want db on the home version |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:10 AM |
*juha* |
|
or is that for the pro |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:18 AM |
*juha* |
|
we have no product definition yet |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:27 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Home vs. Pro won't matter to me. My home stuff will be Pro with nice management tools |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:35 AM |
*juha* |
|
well that's my point |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:42 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Okay, how do you type like a machine gun? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:45 AM |
*juha* |
|
you are talking about pro version in alix box |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:16:52 AM |
*juha* |
|
I am saying does that even make sense? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:03 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Kinda |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:13 AM |
*juha* |
|
ie you won't put jboss into alix |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:16 AM |
*juha* |
|
I tried |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:20 AM |
*juha* |
|
it takes 2 minutes just to start |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:30 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
I think the DIY crowd will be using a lot of the Pro stuff |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:39 AM |
*juha* |
|
DB, what is the profile... mostly read or mostly write |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:40 AM |
*juha* |
|
etc |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:46 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
2 Minutes, hmm need to work on that |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:17:52 AM |
*juha* |
|
mostly read works fine from CF |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:16 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
CF doesn't handle lots of writes (definitely no swap) |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:20 AM |
*juha* |
|
i know |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:24 AM |
*juha* |
|
sorta |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:27 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Reads it has no problem with |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:43 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Even with leveling it's takes a beating fast |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:18:51 AM |
LinuxHA |
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Unless it's huge |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:19:00 AM |
*juha* |
|
ok let me find you something to read |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:19:02 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
at that point might as well make it a hard drive |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:20:07 AM |
*juha* |
|
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3531 |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:20:12 AM |
*juha* |
|
come back when you are done |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:20:16 AM |
*juha* |
|
and give me a summary |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:20:24 AM |
*juha* |
|
I need to work |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:21:49 AM |
*juha* |
|
also the issue was recently discussed on voyage mailing list |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:23:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
for example, it makes a big difference whether your CF is single or multi-layered |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:23:14 AM |
*juha* |
|
wrt to wear |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:41:19 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Juha, your mean and I gotta go to work |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:42:12 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
Man that article is going to take me a while to read. BTW flash cards != SSD, flash cards are tuned for reads. I'll finish the article tonight. |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:42:38 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
BTW, that's a very interesting read. I'm learning a lot about SSDs Thanks! |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:42:45 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes I know flash is not SSD |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:43:05 AM |
*juha* |
|
to answer the question "can we use CF" the answer is "it depends" |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:43:11 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
I'm just making sure that the note is there for others to read |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:43:26 AM |
*juha* |
|
no prob |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:43:28 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
It'll have to be the more expensive flash cards |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:43:55 AM |
LinuxHA |
|
The cheap ones barely meet their factory specs, a big problem for us |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:46:10 AM |
ncherry |
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Sorry about that, I can easily make flash lock up on this app with a right click |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:46:48 AM |
*juha* |
|
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| 2009-04-27 |
07:47:10 AM |
*juha* |
|
you wanna write a GWT or jquery interface for IRC that wouldn't suck? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:47:38 AM |
ncherry |
|
No! |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:47:50 AM |
*juha* |
|
ah then, you get to live with flash |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:48:16 AM |
ncherry |
|
I'm actually getting quite comfortable with this, just gotta remember not to right click |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:48:30 AM |
*juha* |
|
good ! |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:48:53 AM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-04-27 |
07:49:42 AM |
ncherry |
|
Oh, the register works now! Yeah no more setting the email and my age (which is set to 107 - ie I use 1900 - I'm older than dirt) |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:49:56 AM |
*juha* |
|
it didn't work before? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:50:02 AM |
*juha* |
|
I haven't looked at that at all yet |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:50:40 AM |
ncherry |
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I just saw it today, I think the options showed up last week (though I may not have really noticed that before) |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:50:53 AM |
*juha* |
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(you did not really noticed it before) |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:51:43 AM |
ncherry |
|
I attribute that to AD - oh look a butterfly |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:51:56 AM |
*juha* |
|
heh |
| 2009-04-27 |
10:50:51 AM |
niklas |
|
hello |
| 2009-04-27 |
10:51:09 AM |
niklas |
|
do you guys know of any alternatives to OpenRemote? I mean all kinds - mainly hardware based alternatives |
| 2009-04-27 |
10:51:30 AM |
niklas |
|
like autonomous home systems with a panel for controlling everything etc |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:00:40 PM |
*juha* |
|
hehe |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:00:46 PM |
*juha* |
|
just watched the nao robot video |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:00:52 PM |
*juha* |
|
(reaading the chat logs) |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:01:02 PM |
*juha* |
|
hey niklas |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:01:48 PM |
*juha* |
niklas |
there are alot of HA systems, not sure what you are looking for specifically |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:03:27 PM |
niklas |
|
hello |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:03:36 PM |
guest2320 |
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enter the room |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:03:43 PM |
guest2320 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:03:47 PM |
niklas |
|
looking for all kinds. especially more complete systems |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:04:11 PM |
niklas |
|
like is there a system supporting power switches, multimedia control and some other stuff? |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:05:22 PM |
guest6180 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:05:56 PM |
*juha* |
|
sure crestron, knx etc, each comes with their trade-offs, check out the forum archives, a lot is discussed there |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:07:31 PM |
niklas |
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great, thanks |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:08:16 PM |
niklas |
|
I'm off |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:08:19 PM |
niklas |
|
thank you, bye |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:31:24 PM |
guest673 |
|
hi |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:31:49 PM |
guest673 |
|
does this system work for me to install on a linux platform? |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:31:57 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:32:04 PM |
guest673 |
|
I want to make this work with spreech recognition |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:32:15 PM |
guest673 |
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(and it needs to talk back to me, like in OSX) |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:32:32 PM |
jean-luc |
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that will be a nice job to develop |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:32:44 PM |
guest673 |
|
would that be lots of effort? |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:32:54 PM |
guest673 |
|
im more of a handyman than a programmer, sadly |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:33:24 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I think that would involve serious programming. Why do you need it to talk? |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:33:56 PM |
guest673 |
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Because when I give a command, I want it to be able to respond |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:34:13 PM |
guest673 |
|
when you have this TTS capability you can let it read aloud RSS feeds |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:34:27 PM |
guest673 |
|
and similar tasks |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:34:47 PM |
guest673 |
|
which would be really neat, because then you could "communicate" with your room/house |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:34:57 PM |
guest673 |
|
in my case it's only one room that needs to be smart |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:35:08 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I guess.... |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:35:21 PM |
jean-luc |
|
anything is possible. But again - not easy I think |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:35:39 PM |
guest673 |
|
too bad |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:36:03 PM |
guest673 |
|
maybe I can find a linux TTS engine, as long as it works with SR I can work with it;p |
| 2009-04-27 |
01:38:02 PM |
jean-luc |
|
we'll have a webinterface. If you integrate that with some TTS you might be on the way |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:56:35 PM |
niklas |
|
anyone feel like filling me in on KNX? how do one set up a KNX system? can it be controlled either by software or some other kind of controller, or controlled by connecting wires? |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:56:58 PM |
jean-luc |
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it's pro. Checkout knx.org |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:57:04 PM |
niklas |
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like for example connecting the wire from a sensor to a light switch, so that when the sensor is triggered the light will switch on/off |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:57:22 PM |
jean-luc |
|
requires software and skills to setup |
| 2009-04-27 |
05:57:44 PM |
niklas |
|
is software really a requirement? |
| 2009-04-27 |
06:54:35 PM |
ncherry |
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Hey guys, on the issue of speech recognition, that takes some serious horsepower andthe only software that works (that I know of) is Sphinx (CMU.edu?). The IBM Via-Voice stuff is not longer available. And yes it needs some serious software attention |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:04:15 PM |
jean-luc |
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It's hard for me to see how this would be any priority in the near future? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:15:44 PM |
ncherry |
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Voice recognition has it's places but I find it a bit annoying. When things need to be quiet I don't want to speak command. Actually I want the house to predict commands (that's one of the things AI is for). |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:34:05 PM |
ncherry |
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Juha, Jean-Luc, how do I quote the previous message in the foums? |
| 2009-04-27 |
07:54:46 PM |
*juha*6275 |
|
....
|
| 2009-04-27 |
08:12:13 PM |
ncherry |
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Thanks! BTW the edge is off the page again, It's probably a css problem. I'm about 4 message indented |
| 2009-04-27 |
08:18:09 PM |
*juha*6275 |
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i haven't changed anything |
| 2009-04-27 |
08:29:49 PM |
ncherry |
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I think it's either the fact that the thread is getting longer (moving to the left more) and probably something unusual with my Firefox. I'll look at that another day with the HTML deveopment plugin for Firefox. Tha mya give me a clue. I've seen this kind of problem in the past but can't remember what I did to fix it. |
| 2009-04-27 |
08:50:11 PM |
ncherry |
|
Juha wanted a summary of the SSD article, summary: it's complicated, stutter problem this year. Probably gone next year (don't be an early adopter and yoou won't have to worry about upgrades). SSD are faster than hard drives, they are less power hungry and they are now expensive. The writes are limited (10,000 - wow that's lower than I expected). Over all they will get better. |
| 2009-04-27 |
08:53:52 PM |
ncherry |
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To continue the summary, I don't think we'll be using the SSD any time soon. Issues include cost, some performances (pasue and write delays). |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:26:38 PM |
jean-luc |
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agree |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:26:46 PM |
jean-luc |
|
ftp question |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:26:58 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I have ftpd running on my linux machine |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:27:09 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I can access it with the ftp command |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:27:15 PM |
jean-luc |
|
login and download |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:27:24 PM |
jean-luc |
|
from a different machine |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:27:38 PM |
jean-luc |
|
but ftp://xxxx/ does not work in the browser? |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:27:56 PM |
jean-luc |
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to access the same server |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:31:38 PM |
ncherry |
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Firefox doesn't support ftp by default. |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:32:34 PM |
ncherry |
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I think IE might (it used to at one time). If you want ftp (I think sftp also) add the ftpfox or something like that |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:32:40 PM |
jean-luc |
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have been using it today with another server so that's not the problem |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:32:55 PM |
jean-luc |
|
it must be the ftpd config or so |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:33:10 PM |
ncherry |
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Maybe the ftp is blocked at teh server, the firewall or by the ISP? |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:33:24 PM |
jean-luc |
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no because I can use commandline ftp |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:33:27 PM |
jean-luc |
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that works fine |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:34:00 PM |
ncherry |
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I know that most Linux and Windows boxes don't have ftp open to the outside. Ah wait |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:34:08 PM |
ncherry |
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Passive mode! |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:34:13 PM |
jean-luc |
|
right |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:34:27 PM |
jean-luc |
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so I need to change that in the ftpd server I guess |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:35:16 PM |
ncherry |
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There is a problem with FTP and firewalls (nat I guess) an. Look up passive mode. Hmm, still sounds a bit fishy |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:35:32 PM |
ncherry |
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On the client |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:36:12 PM |
ncherry |
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I just have no idea how to do that on the browser |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:36:15 PM |
ncherry |
|
??? |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:36:31 PM |
jean-luc |
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it's not about NAT either, I'm trying local from one pc to the linux box |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:37:42 PM |
ncherry |
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It may be kerbos, the Linux boxes support Kerbos and I've run into problem with authentication. See the logs on the linux box |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:38:19 PM |
ncherry |
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That sounds fishy too but it the best I can come up with at the moment |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:39:03 PM |
ncherry |
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The kerbos stuff is on the server. Are you running vs-ftp? |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:39:13 PM |
jean-luc |
|
no pure-ftp |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:39:23 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I need to set it up to run passive ftp |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:41:28 PM |
jean-luc |
|
guess what did the trick? |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:41:41 PM |
jean-luc |
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BrokenClientsCompatibility = Yes |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:41:42 PM |
ncherry |
|
-p |
| 2009-04-27 |
09:41:57 PM |
ncherry |
|
Ah Window modes |
