| Date |
Time |
From |
To |
Message |
| 2009-05-02 |
01:31:08 AM |
guest6816 |
|
Anyone up ? |
| 2009-05-02 |
05:34:14 AM |
*juha* |
|
at 99 twitter followers... one more one more... |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:38:18 AM |
kdavis |
|
morning juha! |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:38:29 AM |
*juha* |
|
good morning  |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:38:44 AM |
kdavis |
|
what's new? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:38:57 AM |
*juha* |
|
a lot, busy busy |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:39:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
good good |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:39:29 AM |
kdavis |
|
I was talking to ncherry the other day |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:39:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
I hear Jean-Luc is from the bronx, right? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:40:14 AM |
*juha* |
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he is part time in new york, I don't know the city that well (just the airports :-P ) |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:40:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:42:43 AM |
kdavis |
|
if he's in New York City (or even the bronx) I'd be interested in speaking with him in person about OpenRemote |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:42:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
I to live in the bronx |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:43:47 AM |
*juha* |
|
he'll probably be online soon |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:44:00 AM |
*juha* |
|
unless away for weekend |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:44:41 AM |
*juha* |
|
anyway I'll let him know in case he doesn't stop by today |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:44:49 AM |
*juha* |
|
do you want to leave some contact information? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:44:59 AM |
kdavis |
|
sure, could I send you an e-mail? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:45:27 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes, juha at openremote org |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:46:31 AM |
kdavis |
|
e-mail sent |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:47:05 AM |
*juha* |
|
thanks, got it |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:47:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
cool |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:48:46 AM |
*juha* |
|
i will forward to JL |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:48:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
ok, thanks! |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:48:53 AM |
*juha* |
|
you are part of LinuxMCE? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:48:57 AM |
kdavis |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:49:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
what is your role there? |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:50:05 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm a moderator for the forum and I'm also sorta of an evangelist |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:50:26 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm close friends with the developers |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:50:50 AM |
kdavis |
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but, my interest in linuxmce are independent of my interest in openremote (FYI) |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:50:58 AM |
*juha* |
|
ok I see |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:51:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
from what I've read, openremote is looking to develop a business model |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:51:27 AM |
kdavis |
|
there is no such goal for linuxmce |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:51:28 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes we are |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:51:37 AM |
kdavis |
|
it'll always be free |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:52:09 AM |
kdavis |
|
the devs do it on there own time (for free), unless someone wants something specially coded for a product... Then a dev can be "hired" to do such coding |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:52:41 AM |
*juha* |
|
services is the business model we are looking at as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:53:05 AM |
*juha* |
|
consulting etc |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:53:23 AM |
*juha* |
|
support eventually |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:53:34 AM |
kdavis |
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right, but that'll be one-offs for us and not a specific service provided (not yet at least) |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:53:40 AM |
*juha* |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:01 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes we do have a focus on a central services organization that stands behind OR products |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:18 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:24 AM |
kdavis |
|
similiar to how Pluto was for us |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:51 AM |
jean-luc |
|
morning |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
Pluto ended up getting out of the business and we kept the code and continued developing it. |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:54:57 AM |
kdavis |
|
morning |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:09 AM |
*juha* |
|
morning jeanluc |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:16 AM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: I hear you're in the BX |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:28 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:29 AM |
*juha* |
|
have a read of the log above, I wont need to email you |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:30 AM |
jean-luc |
|
10471 |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:35 AM |
kdavis |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
10453 here |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:46 AM |
jean-luc |
|
pretty close |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:55:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
very close |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:56:16 AM |
jean-luc |
|
just reading the part that I can still read |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:56:23 AM |
kdavis |
|
you're near my old stomping grounds... |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:56:33 AM |
kdavis |
|
my HS used to smash fieldston... |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:56:42 AM |
kdavis |
|
(Fieldston HS) |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:56:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
we also used to smash Horace Mann |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:57:04 AM |
*juha* |
|
jl: the full log: http://host71120.123flashchat.com/openremote/message/1565/public.html |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:57:16 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yeah that is pretty close - I'm at arlington avenue / 259 |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:57:22 AM |
jean-luc |
|
thnx |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:57:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup, very familiar with A-ave (as we used to call it) |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:58:11 AM |
jean-luc |
|
browsing mce website as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:58:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:58:27 AM |
jean-luc |
|
very intersesting |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:58:34 AM |
kdavis |
|
there's an HD video somewhere... |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:58:58 AM |
marcf |
|
Hello |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:59:17 AM |
kdavis |
|
morning Marcus |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:59:24 AM |
jean-luc |
|
morning marc |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:59:34 AM |
marcf |
|
I am the other marc |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:59:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
06:59:45 AM |
kdavis |
|
sorry for the name mistake |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:00:08 AM |
marcf |
|
kdavis: yes we are always trying to keep an eye for a business way to do OSS |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:00:38 AM |
marcf |
|
We prefer the kind that can sustain, there are also a lot of opportunities in automation |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:00:48 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup, makes sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:00:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
marcf: tremendous amounts of opportunities in HA |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:01:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
it's not my profession, but I'm very familiar with HA |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:01:28 AM |
kdavis |
|
I know a bunch of people in the business |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:01:29 AM |
marcf |
|
If anything there is this lack of a standardized hardware |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:01:46 AM |
kdavis |
|
marcf: outside of the big boys (Crestron, AMX, etc), yes, I agree |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:06 AM |
kdavis |
|
I would narrow that comment to "standardized hardware for DIYers" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:06 AM |
marcf |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:14 AM |
marcf |
|
well, yes and no |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
micasa verde is doing some good stuff |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:32 AM |
marcf |
|
the point with off the shelf hardware is that we don't have to deal with distribution |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:40 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:02:43 AM |
marcf |
|
we have heard about them a lot yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:01 AM |
marcf |
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and with commodity software components we aim to replicate the libraries of support that these guys sport |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
Elk and HAI are also good (and they're becoming a lot more DIY support friendly) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:18 AM |
kdavis |
|
Elk has been DIY for years |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:18 AM |
marcf |
|
Yes, they have been mentioned a bunch, |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
HAI is just coming around |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:42 AM |
marcf |
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LinuxMCE has been mentioned a bunch as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:03:47 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm sure |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:04:14 AM |
kdavis |
|
Digital Dan peaked my interest in openremote... |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:04:25 AM |
kdavis |
|
he and I have had conversation about HAI and linuxmce |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:04:38 AM |
marcf |
|
please expand |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:04:39 AM |
kdavis |
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he used to do some stuff for linuxmce and then backed out. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:04:43 AM |
jean-luc |
|
I'm visiting the HAI guys next week, I'll be in new Orleans |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:05:04 AM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: nice, they're some good guys... My girlfriend is from NO, so I've been there a couple of times. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:05:15 AM |
jean-luc |
|
sorry to interrupt() |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:05:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
all good |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:06:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
but yea, Digital Dan was trying to integrate HAI with LinuxMCE, but decided to stop because LinuxMCE doesn't have an API-type model |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:06:27 AM |
marcf |
|
What is the user interface of LinuxMCE |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:06:30 AM |
marcf |
|
panels? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:06:36 AM |
marcf |
|
IR? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:06:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
we have a web-interface |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:07:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
we call the WebMin |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:07:31 AM |
marcf |
|
and you can integrate third party icons to control something like a HAI? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:07:44 AM |
guest2650 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:07:46 AM |
marcf |
|
do you have a tool to generate the WebMin? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:07:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
or Web Admin I should say correctly |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:08:12 AM |
kdavis |
|
marcf: we're not there yet to integrate 'icons'. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:08:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
or I mean that isn't how the system works |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:08:42 AM |
kdavis |
|
you essentially create what we call templates for a specific product using said products protocol standards |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:09:00 AM |
kdavis |
|
then, it creates a section in the Web Admin for said product and you can control events and such for said product |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:09:02 AM |
kdavis |
|
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Developers_Guide |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:09:05 AM |
kdavis |
|
for reference |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:09:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
FAQ: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/FAQ |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:09:57 AM |
marcf |
|
our focus is clearly on the user panel |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:10:11 AM |
marcf |
|
with a abstraction for the target runtime, we just don't care |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:10:29 AM |
marcf |
|
we are today driving integration with sockets |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:10:52 AM |
marcf |
|
so that we have separate runtimes and integration just means writing a driver that understands the target protocol |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:10:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:11:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
makes sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:11:17 AM |
marcf |
|
That really isn't an API |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:11:48 AM |
marcf |
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then the UI tool needs to be able to extract enough semantics around lights and AV/AC to present icons you can assemble on a iTouch surface |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:12:08 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:12:09 AM |
marcf |
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There is nothing around media-center type functionality today |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:12:13 AM |
kdavis |
|
we have something similiar |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:12:27 AM |
kdavis |
|
check out the video |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:12:33 AM |
kdavis |
|
I don't think I'm doing it much justice |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:13:19 AM |
marcf |
|
we focus primarily on UI at this moment |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:14:14 AM |
marcf |
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will do on video |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:14:43 AM |
marcf |
|
so you have a web UI for Linux MCE |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:14:50 AM |
marcf |
|
do you have an iphone UI? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:14:59 AM |
kdavis |
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I did |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:07 AM |
kdavis |
|
oh, LinuxMCE |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:08 AM |
kdavis |
|
not yet |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:09 AM |
marcf |
|
IR remotes? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:16 AM |
kdavis |
|
yes, it's web-based right now |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:28 AM |
kdavis |
|
but, we also have an interface for the Cisco 7970 and we have a Phone Orbitor |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:35 AM |
guest7315 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:15:58 AM |
marcf |
|
our focus would be for home automation panels and handhelds |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:16:15 AM |
marcf |
|
something that doesn't look like a wall-wart in your home |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:16:20 AM |
kdavis |
|
yes, we've also got a Java Orbitor for phones and such |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:16:31 AM |
marcf |
|
you have a java API? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:16:47 AM |
kdavis |
|
not an API, but what we call an orbitor |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:11 AM |
kdavis |
|
on Cisco 7970: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Image:IMG_0559.JPG |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:14 AM |
marcf |
|
*something I can call from a java mobile phone profile and that talks to LinuxMCE |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:26 AM |
kdavis |
|
better image: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/images/2/25/IMG_0559.JPG |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:32 AM |
marcf |
|
oooh |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:39 AM |
marcf |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:17:44 AM |
kdavis |
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phone: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/images/8/89/IMG_0555.JPG |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:18:03 AM |
kdavis |
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Nokie N800: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/images/c/cd/IMG_0550.JPG |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:18:56 AM |
marcf |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:19:26 AM |
*juha* |
|
the UI is a java app, or web ui? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:20:53 AM |
jean-luc |
|
watching the video I want to get rid of my brand new Tivo |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:20:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
we have one for java, one for web and we're working on a Windows Orbitor |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:21:13 AM |
kdavis |
|
we currently have one that works for Windows Mobile, but it's buggy |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:21:28 AM |
marcf |
|
we could host a LinuxMCE assembly app. We would need a powerful set of gif and we could map commands to the button areas, |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:21:29 AM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: which video? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:21:41 AM |
marcf |
|
what's a "orbiter" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:22:19 AM |
kdavis |
|
marcf: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Orbiter |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:22:40 AM |
kdavis |
|
|
| 2009-05-02 |
07:22:54 AM |
kdavis |
|
I've tested it on my BB 8830 |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:22:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
worked very well |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:25:20 AM |
marcf |
|
so an orbiter is a remote but with a fancy name |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:25:28 AM |
jean-luc |
|
the overview video of linuxmce |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:25:36 AM |
kdavis |
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ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:25:46 AM |
marcf |
|
a panel as the automation guys call it |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:25:57 AM |
kdavis |
|
here is one of my friends with a plethora of LinuxMCE videos he's created: http://www.youtube.com/user/tschak909 |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:26:07 AM |
marcf |
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I read there are lights, but it doesn't say what runtime |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:26:15 AM |
marcf |
|
x10/lutron... |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:26:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
we use all of those |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:27:05 AM |
marcf |
|
is there a list of supported light devices? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:27:07 AM |
kdavis |
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http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Lighting_Scenarios |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:28:08 AM |
kdavis |
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marcf: no comprehensive list yet, but a search of the wiki would produce a list |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:28:28 AM |
marcf |
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we would be interested in the integration layers to all the vendors |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:28:33 AM |
marcf |
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is your license GPL? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:29:38 AM |
kdavis |
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interesting video on telephony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNaWUM4bX3I&feature=channel_page |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:29:39 AM |
marcf |
|
"we use all of those" is a vague statement kdavis |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:29:47 AM |
kdavis |
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we use x10, yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:30:18 AM |
kdavis |
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marcf: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/License |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:31:06 AM |
marcf |
|
Crestron? Luntron? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:31:18 AM |
marcf |
|
KNX? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:31:44 AM |
marcf |
|
Each one of them is a pain in the butt to get going, if there is already development done in MCE, we are definitely interested |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:12 AM |
marcf |
|
we will be happy with any socket based protocol (Lircd was a good example for us) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:14 AM |
kdavis |
|
there might be plans to integrate with Crestron |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:17 AM |
kdavis |
|
but not now |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
because we haven't seen interest |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:27 AM |
kdavis |
|
Crestron is a monster by itself |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:48 AM |
marcf |
|
for sure, here the interest in Crestron is "can I replace the UI, thank you very much" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:32:59 AM |
marcf |
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and not pay $5400 for the privilege |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:33:46 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:33:55 AM |
kdavis |
|
LinuxMCE can replace there control interface |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:33:59 AM |
kdavis |
|
(or Openremote) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:34:05 AM |
marcf |
|
Is MCE big in the video sense of it? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:34:20 AM |
marcf |
|
does it compete with a "Kaleidoscape" or a WMC? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:34:25 AM |
marcf |
|
(pardon my ignorance) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:35:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
we use MythTV as our video "hub" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:36:01 AM |
kdavis |
|
but we also have extensive video capabilites |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:36:12 AM |
kdavis |
|
the video shows most of it (although the video is getting old) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:00 AM |
marcf |
|
how many downloads of MCE/mo? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:19 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'd have to get those stats for you. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:27 AM |
marcf |
|
ball park, |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:33 AM |
kdavis |
|
I wouldn't know. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:37 AM |
kdavis |
|
I don't keep track of that |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:43 AM |
marcf |
|
1000/10000/10^5 |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:37:44 AM |
kdavis |
|
we have mirrors all over |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:04 AM |
marcf |
|
10^6 |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:21 AM |
marcf |
|
kdavis: you should |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:43 AM |
kdavis |
|
marcf: how so? |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:46 AM |
marcf |
|
I mean keep track of that |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:50 AM |
kdavis |
|
that's not my job within linuxmce. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:38:56 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm sure someone does... |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:39:09 AM |
kdavis |
|
there is about 12 of us on the team |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:39:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm not to concerned with how many downloads, to be honest. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:39:39 AM |
kdavis |
|
if it was a business for us, then sure... |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:39:56 AM |
kdavis |
|
but, I make no money on it or don't stand to make money |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:40:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
I do it because it's a hobby |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:42:55 AM |
marcf |
|
to each his own |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:02 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:29 AM |
marcf |
|
in general downloads is a good measure of health |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:38 AM |
marcf |
|
is what you are doing relevant and if so how much |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:47 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:49 AM |
marcf |
|
traffic on forums is another way to measure it of course |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:43:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
the amount of issues/questions we get from users is also a measure |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:44:03 AM |
marcf |
|
for sure |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:44:08 AM |
kdavis |
|
and we get A CRAP load of those |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:44:11 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:44:18 AM |
jean-luc |
|
saw that on the forum.. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:44:20 AM |
kdavis |
|
I run the forum, so I see it daily |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:14 AM |
kdavis |
|
I mean, you guys got something good going here... |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:20 AM |
kdavis |
|
which is why it peeked my interest |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:35 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm a techy-junky before anything |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:46 AM |
marcf |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:47 AM |
kdavis |
|
so, whether I work with linuxmce or not, I'm still down to try other things |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:45:55 AM |
kdavis |
|
so, don't think I'm a "spy" or anything (FYI) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:46:27 AM |
marcf |
|
hehe, |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:46:34 AM |
marcf |
|
oh look, a "spy" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:46:41 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:47:44 AM |
marcf |
|
We used to run by something called "professional open source" |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:47:50 AM |
marcf |
|
as hobyist really |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:48:02 AM |
marcf |
|
some markets support it (middleware, databases) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:48:06 AM |
marcf |
|
some don't |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:48:17 AM |
marcf |
|
(webservers) |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:48:55 AM |
marcf |
|
we are investigating whether Automation supports it, we believe it might, OSs is a good way to go about the marketing problems |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:49:18 AM |
marcf |
|
take for example the barriers to entry. If you are a user it is $$$ if you are an installer it costs money to get certified |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:49:46 AM |
marcf |
|
the business model is very vertical, based on "mainframe" style businesses |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:49:54 AM |
marcf |
|
where the hardware supports software and services |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:50:25 AM |
marcf |
|
this is one reason for a lack of standards in the industry |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:50:43 AM |
marcf |
|
the closest thing to a standard in this industry is KNX and that is still pretty closed and narrow |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:51:24 AM |
marcf |
|
by taking a OSS approach where any field installer can build a box (or buy it from us) then we create the "operating system" for automation components |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:51:41 AM |
marcf |
|
and removing some of the barriers to entry and adoption |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:52:19 AM |
marcf |
|
OSS is disruptive, it did it in other markets, I believe there is a big play in automation as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:52:33 AM |
marcf |
|
but it is still very early. |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:52:53 AM |
marcf |
|
I would be interested in knowing the downloads of MCE, just to know how big one can get with end-user stuff |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:53:25 AM |
marcf |
|
also we are shipping our own linux distro right now, to minimize the variables, but MCE may be a natural choice down the road |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:53:34 AM |
marcf |
|
juha has been working on that |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:56:51 AM |
*juha* |
|
still here... sorry we got hit by a huge hail storm |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:56:57 AM |
kdavis |
|
ewww |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:56:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
not good |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:57:12 AM |
*juha* |
|
chaos on the street below |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:57:31 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:59:22 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes locking down the linux distro will become important... voyage on alix is nice (if you get past the CLI only interface) in its simplicity where as general ubuntu distribution becomes more of a headache |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:59:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
we've used kubuntu for years |
| 2009-05-02 |
07:59:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
always liked it |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:01:39 AM |
guest7809 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:02:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
so far we've no media center functionality so getting by with stripped down linux is ok (voyage is at around 128Mb) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:02:40 AM |
*juha* |
|
and is ok for low end hardware (alix, soekris etc boards) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:03:03 AM |
kdavis |
|
look into MythTV |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:03:32 AM |
*juha* |
|
will do |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:03:46 AM |
guest2650 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:04:12 AM |
*juha* |
|
ubuntu on alix works but not fast enough to be usable |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:04:31 AM |
*juha* |
|
on Intel Atom N270 its fine |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:04:50 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:04:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
very stable |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:05:25 AM |
marcf |
|
Of course you guys are of the school of thought that a server is important |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:05:42 AM |
marcf |
|
me I think my remote (iphone) has enough brains to talk IP to my devices, PC begone! |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:06:18 AM |
kdavis |
|
well, I like the idea of a central server |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:06:19 AM |
guest574 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:06:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
with what we call in LinuxMCE media directors (which some can have no HD) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:06:39 AM |
marcf |
|
we do to, I am just pulling juha's leg |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:06:44 AM |
kdavis |
|
oh, lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:07:15 AM |
guest7809 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:08:35 AM |
guest574 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:08:49 AM |
kdavis |
|
that's one of the major "issues" we've been wrestling with |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:08:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
hardware support |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:09:06 AM |
kdavis |
|
we support a shit load of hardware that it's becoming tough to keep track |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:09:26 AM |
kdavis |
|
so, we're contemplating just sticking with one vendor/hadware-base |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:09:31 AM |
marcf |
|
yeah right |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:09:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
but, some of the devs love the idea to support more than less |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:09:46 AM |
kdavis |
|
which I can't really argue against... |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:06 AM |
marcf |
|
well the usual argument is "that's great but WHO is going to support it" |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:09 AM |
marcf |
|
you? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:39 AM |
marcf |
|
it is fine to "want" something, but who is going to "do" it |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:39 AM |
kdavis |
|
we'd have to contract with the hw provider somehow |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:10:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
or, we can just recommend a certain vendor and "suggest" for people to use them |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:00 AM |
marcf |
|
well, we wrestle with the issue for about a month |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:08 AM |
marcf |
|
we settle on the BOM for the RI (Alix) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:13 AM |
marcf |
|
or B202 Asus |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:33 AM |
marcf |
|
the B20* could be interesting for you guys what with the HDMI port and such |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:40 AM |
kdavis |
|
yea, we have a few people uses the B202 |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:42 AM |
guest9368 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:11:56 AM |
marcf |
|
the point is something you can get off the shelf |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:12:24 AM |
marcf |
|
Then "exotic" hardware is left to the user |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:12:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
exactly |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:12:47 AM |
marcf |
|
but there is so much you can support and so many products in teh matrix that you really want to play with and support well |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:13:08 AM |
marcf |
|
netbooks are all the rage |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:13:26 AM |
marcf |
|
and at 300 a pop are really do-able by most |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:14:18 AM |
kdavis |
|
yea, well since we have our web orbitor, anything that's web-capable can be used... |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:14:19 AM |
guest9368 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:14:28 AM |
kdavis |
|
netbook, phone, etc... |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:14:56 AM |
marcf |
|
so even without screen you mean? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:15:44 AM |
marcf |
|
so you guys have HAI integration? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:15:46 AM |
marcf |
|
Elk? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:16:51 AM |
kdavis |
|
nope |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:16:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
neither |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:16:56 AM |
kdavis |
|
not yet at least |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:17:07 AM |
kdavis |
|
Digital Dan was working on HAI support, but stopped |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:17:26 AM |
marcf |
|
yes he popped up around here talking about HAI, got us interested |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:17:32 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:17:37 AM |
marcf |
|
we do seek these open API integration points |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:17:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
he's working on integrating HAI with openremote |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:18:02 AM |
kdavis |
|
dan is a good guy and knows his stuff about HAI |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:18:13 AM |
marcf |
|
good, it only takes one |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:18:31 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:21:11 AM |
guest6662 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:21:56 AM |
kdavis |
|
lost connection for a second |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:22:23 AM |
marcf |
|
I have a bunch of 10 year old girls singing "high school musical" on PS3 so I am deaf |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:22:44 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:22:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
your daughter has friends over? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:01 AM |
kdavis |
|
or, if your son is a player, maybe he does... |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:02 AM |
marcf |
|
yes, b-day |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:04 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:13 AM |
kdavis |
|
ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:16 AM |
marcf |
|
I take refugre here |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:23:43 AM |
marcf |
|
working in your living room is one of those "advantages" of OSS |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:24:43 AM |
marcf |
|
my boys think this is girly stuff, they are gamers, like their dad |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:25:29 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:36:22 AM |
jean-luc |
|
cool stuff from Derrick re modeller: on linuxMCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufVBOf1ir8 |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:51:47 AM |
marcf |
|
hey Dan |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:51:58 AM |
marcf |
|
Yes the modeller video is funny |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:52:29 AM |
marcf |
|
the floor plan abstraction is everywhere and it makes sense for a whole lot of scenarios |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:15 AM |
dan.cong |
|
sorry, i am not THE Dan.C |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:57:35 AM |
marcf |
|
you are from the beijing office yeah? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:10:43 AM |
jean-luc |
|
you scared him away! |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:12:50 AM |
marcf |
|
well is he from the Beijing office? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:12:54 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:13:04 AM |
jean-luc |
|
he is in charge |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:13:18 AM |
marcf |
|
tell him to stick around next time and shoot the breeze with us |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:13:25 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:13:26 AM |
jean-luc |
|
we |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:13:55 AM |
jean-luc |
|
we'll have ryan and zigzag over in Amsterdam in june as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:14:02 AM |
marcf |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:15:37 AM |
marcf |
|
I like the idea you pitched the other day, the one about the finger on the screen behaving like a glass distortion on the iphone. |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:16:02 AM |
marcf |
|
It solves very elegantly the problem of the "on/off" pictures which make the whole programming heavy |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:16:19 AM |
jean-luc |
|
you would still need the mapping of actions? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:16:29 AM |
marcf |
|
yes, but the mapping is just a rectangle |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:16:38 AM |
marcf |
|
we don't need to cut and upload a "pressed" image |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:16:42 AM |
jean-luc |
|
true |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:17:15 AM |
marcf |
|
I have also been reading about making the ORB the center of customization |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:17:49 AM |
jean-luc |
|
I think it is really interesting to think about the iphone app as an universal remote that adapts to the room you enter |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:18:00 AM |
jean-luc |
|
wether in the house or outside, like entering a hotel |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:18:06 AM |
marcf |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:18:17 AM |
marcf |
|
problem is you need to declare it in some lingo |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:18:37 AM |
marcf |
|
so you spend 30 seconds twiddling with your interface to tell it "I am here" |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:00 AM |
jean-luc |
|
what do you mean? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:07 AM |
jean-luc |
|
the network will do it |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:28 AM |
marcf |
|
in the video we saw there is a bunch of interacting |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:29 AM |
jean-luc |
|
the iphone app is looking for orb controller in the network |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:42 AM |
jean-luc |
|
room-2room is different |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:50 AM |
jean-luc |
|
but house to house is a different |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:19:56 AM |
guest3767 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:20:28 AM |
marcf |
|
bah, I like the idea of uploading a gif and clicking on a room to get at the remotes that control this room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:20:38 AM |
marcf |
|
sort of like picking up the right remote in the right room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:20:56 AM |
marcf |
|
finger driver and compatible with the glass idea |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:21:21 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yeah |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:21:44 AM |
marcf |
|
we can do that today |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:21:56 AM |
jean-luc |
|
bluetooth could work - like what is discussed in the video as well |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:01 AM |
marcf |
|
i mean we can build it |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:03 AM |
jean-luc |
|
bluetooth in every room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:21 AM |
marcf |
|
you can work it today with the iphone |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:22 AM |
jean-luc |
|
the room click we already support now |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:34 AM |
jean-luc |
|
bluetooth can automate that |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:22:58 AM |
mredeker |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:23:03 AM |
marcf |
|
marcus! |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:23:08 AM |
mredeker |
|
hey |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:24:06 AM |
mredeker |
|
did some stuff and sent it to juha yesterday |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:24:15 AM |
marcf |
|
have been reading the exchange about the processes talking to each other via sockets |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:24:18 AM |
mredeker |
|
all my a/v devices are controlled now |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:24:39 AM |
jean-luc |
|
he marcus I was talking with juha yesterday about the stuff you're doing because it can help me control my tivo with OR |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:00 AM |
mredeker |
|
what interface does the tivo have? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:16 AM |
jean-luc |
|
ip port 31339 |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:18 AM |
jean-luc |
|
very easy |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:31 AM |
jean-luc |
|
say IRCODE RECORD for example |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:36 AM |
mredeker |
|
then the socket event should work |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:46 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yes that what I though |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:25:50 AM |
jean-luc |
|
thought |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:26:04 AM |
jean-luc |
|
do you put the ipnumber in the even for the controller.xml |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:26:37 AM |
mredeker |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:27:02 AM |
mredeker |
|
would be nice to extend the designer to support these new events |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:27:14 AM |
marcf |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:27:23 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yeah - we where discussing about configuring |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:27:31 AM |
jean-luc |
|
ie where to store the ipconfig for a device |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:27:50 AM |
jean-luc |
|
wether to deal with it in the modeller or in the controller |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:01 AM |
marcf |
|
if there is a list defining events for the controller then that list can be used by the builder |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:12 AM |
mredeker |
|
i created a socketEvent, telnetEvent and httpGetEvent |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:25 AM |
mredeker |
|
i had devices here to try out all of these |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:35 AM |
jean-luc |
|
yeah and in beeheeve we can add events to devices |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:43 AM |
jean-luc |
|
like the TIVO is in beehive now with IR commands |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:28:51 AM |
jean-luc |
|
we would add the support IP commands |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:29:00 AM |
jean-luc |
|
and then you could chooses in the modeller |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:29:45 AM |
mredeker |
|
yes for well defined commands we can do that |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:29:49 AM |
jean-luc |
|
My thinking was that you would like to configure the ip adress on the controller, also to be able to change it 'on site' without the modeller. Also because it's not about the model, but about the 'runtime' |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:02 AM |
mredeker |
|
this should also be possible for mythtv client because the commands are set |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:04 AM |
jean-luc |
|
doesnt have to map to the IR commands, |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:09 AM |
jean-luc |
|
just file it under TIVO |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:21 AM |
marcf |
|
ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:31 AM |
jean-luc |
|
it would be a different set of commands becuase IP has more command anyway than IR and not the same |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:41 AM |
jean-luc |
|
IP is more 'distint' than IR |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:42 AM |
mredeker |
|
but with my irtrans module i save the remotes and ir commands into the device myself and that is not fixed |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:30:49 AM |
marcf |
|
we need to offer either an icon or a selectable icon (like the wheel effect in iphone) |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:31:06 AM |
jean-luc |
|
marcus what do you mean |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:31:55 AM |
jean-luc |
|
and marc, what do you mean? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:08 AM |
marcf |
|
so I have commands from a target |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:24 AM |
mredeker |
|
here is an example |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:25 AM |
mredeker |
|
<socketEvent id="21" name="receiver on" ip="192.168.100.80" port="21000" command="ASCI|Asnd yamaha-receiver,power"/> |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:33 AM |
marcf |
|
Either I map them without representation (eg. the map idea) |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:38 AM |
mredeker |
|
the ip and port of my irtrans modules |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:42 AM |
marcf |
|
or I want and icon... which icon -> select |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:32:54 AM |
mredeker |
|
within the irtrans i saved ir command for my receiver |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:09 AM |
mredeker |
|
and its saved with the name yamaha-receiver |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:12 AM |
jean-luc |
|
ok so let's assume that the IR commands for the yamaha are already in beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:18 AM |
mredeker |
|
the command is called "power" |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:40 AM |
mredeker |
|
the ir command are saved inside the irtrans module |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:41 AM |
jean-luc |
|
than we would just ad the list of supported ip commands to beehive under the same name |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:33:50 AM |
mredeker |
|
i only have to give a name |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:34:14 AM |
jean-luc |
|
right so we want to add to beehive a list of those names |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:34:16 AM |
mredeker |
|
you cannot give the irtrans the complete ir command just a name |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:34:27 AM |
jean-luc |
|
I understand |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:34:40 AM |
mredeker |
|
another user could have used another name for "power" |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:34:46 AM |
mredeker |
|
maybe "einschalten" |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:35:07 AM |
jean-luc |
|
beehive has the 'raw' commands |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:35:15 AM |
mredeker |
|
thats why beehive does not know what the user saved into his irtrans |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:35:38 AM |
mredeker |
|
right and irtrans also has raw commands only activated by a name |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:36:26 AM |
jean-luc |
|
it's an interesting question about modelling and storing |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:36:53 AM |
*juha* |
|
irtrans is "per instance" modeling, same as knx, into beehive account |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:36:59 AM |
mredeker |
|
for irtrans we could have an extra tab in the modeller |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:37:21 AM |
mredeker |
|
there you enter ip, port and command string |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:37:24 AM |
jean-luc |
|
so we would have an 'ip' tab and a irtrans tab? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:37:38 AM |
jean-luc |
|
because irtrans is it's own abstraction? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:37:55 AM |
*juha* |
|
because irtrans already maps a "user command" to LIRC command |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
in order to use irtrans as integration layer you need the user commands |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:19 AM |
*juha* |
|
so this you model for your own setup |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:36 AM |
*juha* |
|
same as with knx, 1/1/1 at my house means different to yours |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:48 AM |
*juha* |
|
so it is not "shared" configuration in beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:52 AM |
*juha* |
|
but instance configuration |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:38:59 AM |
*juha* |
|
done by the "installer" role |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:39:01 AM |
jean-luc |
|
so I'm curious how it looks in beehive than |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:39:29 AM |
guest858 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:39:31 AM |
*juha* |
|
it's a per install account |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:40:03 AM |
jean-luc |
|
so a 'local' beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:40:06 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:40:28 AM |
*juha* |
|
with all the mappings to your install modeled by the installer |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:40:36 AM |
*juha* |
|
irtrans, knx, et al fall into this category |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:40:47 AM |
*juha* |
|
direct device interfaces go into "shared" beehive category |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:25 AM |
mredeker |
|
do you think of a login for the modeller and save per instance(user) in our system? |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:33 AM |
jean-luc |
|
ok - never looked at it that way |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:33 AM |
*juha* |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:37 AM |
*juha* |
|
done by the installer |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:41 AM |
*juha* |
|
handed over to the customer |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:41:46 AM |
*juha* |
|
"escrow account" |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:42:19 AM |
mredeker |
|
a user might not want his knx information in the OR modeller database |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:42:33 AM |
*juha* |
|
they are free to keep it by themselves |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:42:45 AM |
*juha* |
|
but then they need to feed in the mappings by themselves |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:42:56 AM |
*juha* |
|
there's no way for us to know what is behind 1/1/1 in knx |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:03 AM |
*juha* |
|
so the user needs to know the addressing |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:07 AM |
*juha* |
|
ie. the user == installer |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:08 AM |
mredeker |
|
thats true |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:36 AM |
*juha* |
|
but in cases where you think installer as a different role from the end user it makes more sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:53 AM |
mredeker |
|
that is true |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:43:58 AM |
*juha* |
|
you switch to a different installer, all your building models are still stored in beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:44:06 AM |
*juha* |
|
you just pass the account to a new contractor |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:44:19 AM |
mredeker |
|
the installer would have the ETS3 project on his machine also and not the user unless the user is a DIY |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:44:36 AM |
*juha* |
|
and we want an ETS import to beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:44:51 AM |
*juha* |
|
"local" account |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:00 AM |
mredeker |
|
that would be really cool |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:23 AM |
mredeker |
|
import ets into beehive and have all functions right there |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:27 AM |
*juha* |
|
yep |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:33 AM |
*juha* |
|
plus all your IR, irtrans, what not |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:37 AM |
*juha* |
|
floor plans, icons etc |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:41 AM |
*juha* |
|
GUI profiles |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:49 AM |
*juha* |
|
your full model |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:45:53 AM |
*juha* |
|
single location |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:46:01 AM |
mredeker |
|
while you mention floorplans |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:46:24 AM |
mredeker |
|
this is a cool website to desing your own plan or for "installer" design plans for more customers |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:46:25 AM |
mredeker |
|
http://www.floorplanner.com/ |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:46:36 AM |
*juha* |
|
nice... will definitely check that out |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:46:54 AM |
marcf |
|
that's nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:47:02 AM |
mredeker |
|
i designed my appartment with it it looks really nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:47:12 AM |
marcf |
|
juha: yes ETS import to Beehive is needed |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:47:15 AM |
mredeker |
|
you can export as png |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:47:32 AM |
marcf |
|
let me get Olivier to talk to Dan Cong, I will make sure it gets done |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:04:37 AM |
kdavis |
|
some good stuff guys |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:04:41 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'll be back later |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:04:48 AM |
kdavis |
|
i want to talk about beehive and such |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:04:58 AM |
kdavis |
|
bbl |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:11:44 AM |
marcf |
|
yo... |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:11:59 AM |
marcf |
|
ask away, I think juha is also here this weekend |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:12:10 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'll be right back |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:12:14 AM |
kdavis |
|
gotta go to the city |
| 2009-05-02 |
11:12:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'll ask when I get back |
| 2009-05-02 |
01:19:43 PM |
*juha* |
|
blogged on code updates: http://openremote.org/display/~juha/2009/05/02/Code+Updates |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:07:28 PM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: maybe I should have called you... I drove by your area... |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:07:45 PM |
kdavis |
|
anyone around? |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:07:49 PM |
jean-luc |
|
still here |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:07:52 PM |
kdavis |
|
ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:02 PM |
jean-luc |
|
i have all sounds off |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:08 PM |
kdavis |
|
took the deagan to my apartment and drove back up to CT |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:12 PM |
kdavis |
|
now I'm back in CT |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:13 PM |
jean-luc |
|
otherwise I go crazy |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:21 PM |
kdavis |
|
makes sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:26 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I could have waved I guess |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:42 PM |
jean-luc |
|
next time come for coffee |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:49 PM |
kdavis |
|
definitely |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:08:57 PM |
kdavis |
|
so, tell me about beehive |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:09 PM |
kdavis |
|
is that essentially your list of templates or...? |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:10 PM |
jean-luc |
|
what to tell you |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:22 PM |
jean-luc |
|
right now its a copy of lircd |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:35 PM |
jean-luc |
|
did you see composer.openremote.org/demo/ |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:36 PM |
jean-luc |
|
? |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:09:47 PM |
kdavis |
|
checking now |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:10:18 PM |
kdavis |
|
we've got lircd working in linuxmce |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:10:47 PM |
kdavis |
|
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LIRC |
| 2009-05-02 |
03:10:58 PM |
jean-luc |
|
we import (and update) the lircd code database automatically from sourceforge |
| 2009-05-02 |
04:51:49 PM |
kdavis |
|
room got quiet |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:37:58 PM |
ncherry |
|
Weekends tend to be a bit quiet |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:38:16 PM |
kdavis |
|
I can see |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:38:37 PM |
kdavis |
|
I'm on often when I visit my girlfriend |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:38:46 PM |
kdavis |
|
because she's usually studying while I'm online / watching sports |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:39:14 PM |
ncherry |
|
hold on |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:41:55 PM |
ncherry |
|
Sorry about that, tea kettle went off |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:42:02 PM |
kdavis |
|
np |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:42:49 PM |
ncherry |
|
I got back around 4pm but I needed a bit of sleep, just finished a 101 mile bike ride (in the rain) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:43:07 PM |
kdavis |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:43:51 PM |
ncherry |
|
I'm in training to do a 208 mile single day ride from Port Jervis NY to Cape May NJ |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:44:01 PM |
ncherry |
|
I like riding my bike |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:44:09 PM |
kdavis |
|
i can see |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:45:03 PM |
ncherry |
|
Rats sound is off again ... grrr, I think Firefox is messing that up, let me restart it |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:45:40 PM |
ncherry |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:46:00 PM |
kdavis |
|
ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:46:38 PM |
ncherry |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:46:53 PM |
ncherry |
|
Yep that was it! |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:46:59 PM |
ncherry |
|
much better |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:47:15 PM |
kdavis |
|
cool |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:47:39 PM |
ncherry |
|
Okay so we've determined that you have a little to do with the LinuxMCE project |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:47:52 PM |
kdavis |
|
meaning? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:48:24 PM |
ncherry |
|
Not much, I just read the earlier log (catching up) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:48:37 PM |
ncherry |
|
I see you met the top three people |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:48:50 PM |
ncherry |
|
MarcF, Juha and Jean-Luc |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:48:59 PM |
kdavis |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:49:07 PM |
kdavis |
|
I'm a moderator for the linuxmce forum |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:49:21 PM |
kdavis |
|
and I assist with dev work when I can |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:49:27 PM |
kdavis |
|
and I'm good friends with the devs |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:49:50 PM |
ncherry |
|
That's always good |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:50:25 PM |
ncherry |
|
I think I annoy a bit but I hope to be useful (sorry self deprecating humor) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:50:57 PM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:50:59 PM |
guest7805 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:51:05 PM |
kdavis |
|
i don't think you're annoying |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:51:24 PM |
ncherry |
|
You haven't been around me enough yet |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:51:28 PM |
ncherry |
|
What kind of background do you have? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:51:45 PM |
ncherry |
|
Mine's hardware and informal programming C, Perl etc. |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:52:02 PM |
ncherry |
|
I do a lot of embedded programming |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:52:29 PM |
kdavis |
|
i have a java background, but i've also done some .NET |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:52:38 PM |
ncherry |
|
But my employment is as a Network Service Test Engineer |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:52:39 PM |
kdavis |
|
but, I have an IT strategy/consulting background |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:53:04 PM |
ncherry |
|
I don't have much in the way of Windows, always been a Unix programmer (informal) |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:53:24 PM |
ncherry |
|
Trying to relearn Java, lots of confusing TLAs |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:53:35 PM |
guest5089 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:53:55 PM |
ncherry |
|
That reminds me that I have to read another chapter in my Java book. |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:54:04 PM |
kdavis |
|
I haven't formally done dev work in years though |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:54:33 PM |
ncherry |
|
You can get a chance here |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:54:57 PM |
kdavis |
|
possibly |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:55:18 PM |
ncherry |
|
Pick an HA system, add a module. We're using JBoss as the core, so interfacing to that is just follwoing it's rules |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:55:41 PM |
ncherry |
|
MarcF and Juha are directly tied to JBoss |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:55:49 PM |
kdavis |
|
I know |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:55:57 PM |
ncherry |
|
|
| 2009-05-02 |
08:56:17 PM |
ncherry |
|
Marc convinced me early on that he was serious about this. |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:56:24 PM |
ncherry |
|
I'm glad he did |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:56:50 PM |
ncherry |
|
I think we're finally going to get the HA system I've been dreaming about all these years |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:57:04 PM |
ncherry |
|
I've been using Misterhouse and it works well |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:57:17 PM |
ncherry |
|
but the API isn't well defined |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:58:01 PM |
kdavis |
|
never looked into linuxmce huh? |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:59:21 PM |
ncherry |
|
Sorry was just grabbing a few things .... |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:59:40 PM |
guest7805 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:59:41 PM |
ncherry |
|
When I was writing the book we looked at Pluto |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:59:54 PM |
guest9932 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
08:59:57 PM |
kdavis |
|
thoughts? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:00:05 PM |
ncherry |
|
My TV/Entertainment needs too simple |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:00:22 PM |
guest9932 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:00:28 PM |
kdavis |
|
meaning? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:00:42 PM |
ncherry |
|
The HA I was trying to use was Insteon and I've been going to school so I stuck with MH |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:03 PM |
kdavis |
|
ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:12 PM |
ncherry |
|
Menaing I have a 13" color TV I never turn on (controllered by X10 |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:21 PM |
kdavis |
|
ah, ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:34 PM |
ncherry |
|
A VCR and an Tivo S1 for channel changing |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:40 PM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:41 PM |
ncherry |
|
and a Stero system for sound |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:01:48 PM |
kdavis |
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all of which LinuxMCE can control |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:02:07 PM |
ncherry |
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I used a Ocelot IR device to control the device and MH to send the interpreted commands |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:02:58 PM |
kdavis |
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yup, makes sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:03:05 PM |
ncherry |
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Somewhere around here I have a few IR devices (USB and RS232) but I've didn't have time to figure them out |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:03:10 PM |
kdavis |
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my friend uses an ocelot to control his washer/dryer |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:03:38 PM |
ncherry |
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Now I'm getting my Degree in July/august and it's time to really get back to HAing |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:03:52 PM |
kdavis |
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what's your degree in? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:04:32 PM |
ncherry |
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AAS in Electronis and now a Telecommunications degree (BS CS) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:04:58 PM |
ncherry |
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I'll be going for a MS in CS (Internet Technologies) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:05:02 PM |
kdavis |
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ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:05:43 PM |
ncherry |
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Yeah I know doesn't reall say much the BS degree, I work for AT&T and a Telecomm degree makes sense |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:06:05 PM |
ncherry |
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Labs frwns on not having at least a BS degree |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:06:15 PM |
kdavis |
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eh, to each his own |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:06:19 PM |
kdavis |
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I'm not one to judge |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:06:46 PM |
ncherry |
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30 years of experience doesn't mean much, a book doesn't mean much just a sheeps skin |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:06:57 PM |
ncherry |
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At least they helped pay for it. |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:07:05 PM |
kdavis |
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which is good |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:07:22 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm looking forward to the graduate courses |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:07:34 PM |
ncherry |
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Java, Open Source, Linux and AI |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:07:38 PM |
kdavis |
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i love to learn |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:02 PM |
ncherry |
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You and me both, I've got a ton of books read, and to be read |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:18 PM |
ncherry |
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I jsut need a better monitor |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:29 PM |
kdavis |
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I'm more of a hands-on / cource person |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:30 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm starting to get them in PDF form |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:45 PM |
ncherry |
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I want the source too |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:08:59 PM |
ncherry |
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I've been open source since 1982 |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:13 PM |
kdavis |
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wow |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:16 PM |
kdavis |
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long time |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:18 PM |
ncherry |
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I wrote a nice EPROM burner interface |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:34 PM |
guest486 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:38 PM |
guest5060 |
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enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:48 PM |
ncherry |
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Been at it since 1978, high school dial up to Princeton, a student's father |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:09:53 PM |
ncherry |
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110 baud |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:10:21 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:10:23 PM |
kdavis |
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I remember those |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:10:29 PM |
ncherry |
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Still have my old computer and recently picked up a Heathkit trainer that still works (6800) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:10:35 PM |
ncherry |
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I collect older computers |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:11:04 PM |
kdavis |
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nice! |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:11:16 PM |
ncherry |
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I know too many languages but I wouldn't say I'm an expert in any. |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:12:13 PM |
x |
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enter the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:12:29 PM |
ncherry |
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Alsmost had an AAS in CS but the local community colleege says that Napolean didn't really lose at Waterloo and I have to retake my older courses (like bowling) grrrr! |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:12:41 PM |
x |
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darn |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:13:25 PM |
ncherry |
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So I took all my credits and went to Pace, I have some 250 credits now (weird) through some really odd circumstances |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:13:26 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:14:08 PM |
ncherry |
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Maybe I'll get good at Java and be able to understand what Jean-Luc and Juha are saying |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:14:42 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:14:46 PM |
kdavis |
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maybe |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:15:24 PM |
ncherry |
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Looks like we have someone named x joining us, hello |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:15:37 PM |
x |
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hello |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:15:43 PM |
x |
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x |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:15:54 PM |
ncherry |
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|
| 2009-05-02 |
09:16:11 PM |
ncherry |
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So have you looked around the site? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:16:19 PM |
ncherry |
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Got questions ? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:16:23 PM |
x |
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not really what's it about? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:16:52 PM |
ncherry |
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World Domination through home automation (Smart Home technologies) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:17:01 PM |
x |
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nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:17:10 PM |
x |
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here I'll show you how I do mine |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:17:21 PM |
ncherry |
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cool |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:17:50 PM |
x |
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connection issue |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:17:53 PM |
x |
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now fixed |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:00 PM |
x |
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x |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:06 PM |
ncherry |
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|
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:19 PM |
ncherry |
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So whatcha got in HA? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:36 PM |
ncherry |
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Kdavis whatcha got too? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:41 PM |
x |
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ha? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:18:51 PM |
ncherry |
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Home automation (sorry) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:19:17 PM |
x |
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quit the room |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:19:20 PM |
ncherry |
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I've got X10, Insteon and ZWave |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:19:27 PM |
ncherry |
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An ELK M1 Gold |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:19:53 PM |
ncherry |
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The HCS II (from Steve Ciarcia of Circuit Cellar) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:06 PM |
kdavis |
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I run LinuxMCE with some x10 stuff |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:09 PM |
kdavis |
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and telephony |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:12 PM |
kdavis |
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via a Cisco 7970 |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:21 PM |
kdavis |
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but, I plan to get an HAI system eventually |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:24 PM |
ncherry |
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and lot of other bits and pieces such as the Linksys WMS11B |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:39 PM |
ncherry |
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The HAI Omni is nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:45 PM |
kdavis |
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ncherry: you've got the M1 being run by Misterhouse? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:20:47 PM |
ncherry |
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touch screens are a bit expensive |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:21:18 PM |
ncherry |
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Yea, I wrote an interface with the Serial port |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:21:39 PM |
kdavis |
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interesting |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:21:43 PM |
ncherry |
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I extend the Perls ELK M1 Ethernet module to use serial instead |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:21:45 PM |
kdavis |
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got some specs on that? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:22:07 PM |
ncherry |
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It's big and white and has lots of cables |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:22:14 PM |
ncherry |
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Specs? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:22:23 PM |
kdavis |
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on the integration |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:22:31 PM |
kdavis |
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have you written up a "how to"? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:23:56 PM |
ncherry |
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No howto as It's not complete, it's just the interface (a ELKM1 object) and then spew out the translation of the messages from the ELK M1 to the log and the main screen (a dump of the log to tty8) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:24:37 PM |
ncherry |
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I got involved with it in the middle of my course so it was complete and I got a bit frustrated by no standard API for Misterhouse |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:25:22 PM |
kdavis |
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ok |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:25:57 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm hoping to add it to OR instead |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:26:34 PM |
ncherry |
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Basically emulate one of it's keypads and add some scripting capabilities with Groovy |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:27:03 PM |
ncherry |
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One thing I have to figure out with Groovy is how we're going to interface it with JBoss |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:27:15 PM |
ncherry |
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I never do things the easy way |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:36:57 PM |
kdavis |
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eh, a lot of people are like that |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:37:59 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm pretty sure that Juha and Jean-Luc will keep me honest and teach me what they know |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:48:16 PM |
kdavis |
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yup |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:48:19 PM |
kdavis |
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definitely |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:03 PM |
kdavis |
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I like the ideas/model on openremote |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:10 PM |
kdavis |
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very early to tell the direction though |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:18 PM |
ncherry |
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So do I |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:31 PM |
ncherry |
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What kinds of HA would you like to see? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:52 PM |
kdavis |
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just more capabilites (which will probably come) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:49:57 PM |
ncherry |
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I'd like to see a lot more services be available such as an interface to the social networks |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:50:02 PM |
kdavis |
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telephony and such |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:50:21 PM |
ncherry |
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There will be plenty and definitely telephony |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:50:43 PM |
ncherry |
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though I may have to step lightly there because of my employer |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:50:46 PM |
kdavis |
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I guess I'm just in love with the ability to use my Cisco 7970 as a UI/control device |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:51:42 PM |
ncherry |
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Lets just say that a simple module to get teh information to JBoss then a groovy script and you should be in business (though that might not be the best initial route) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:52:23 PM |
kdavis |
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well, you'll have to get asterisk obviously |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:52:25 PM |
ncherry |
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Once it's built it can be compiled and made a more permanent module (hence my like for Groovy as a scripting and module inteface) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:52:35 PM |
kdavis |
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then, get support for skinny/SCCP (which chan-sccp helps with) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:52:48 PM |
ncherry |
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With Mark Spencer on the project it's a good idea |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:11 PM |
kdavis |
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Mark helps out as well here? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:16 PM |
ncherry |
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I wonder how much Skinny we have in my work lab |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:25 PM |
kdavis |
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FYI: LinuxMCE on Cisco 7970: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEK3WAw3jpM&feature=channel_page |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:33 PM |
ncherry |
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He's working with MarcF on some of the hardware |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:53:50 PM |
kdavis |
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hardware for OR? |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:56:31 PM |
ncherry |
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MarcF doesn't just envision software being used with this project but hardware too (we want standards dambit!) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:56:45 PM |
kdavis |
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na, that's the key to success... |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:57:07 PM |
kdavis |
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as Jean and I were talking about earlier, none of the successful HA companies just did software |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:57:33 PM |
ncherry |
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The HA industry is very annoying in that it doesn't have real standards (or at least open ones) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:57:53 PM |
kdavis |
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right |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:58:14 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm hoping we pushfor more wireless, the US is wireless nuts. DOn't know about the rest of the world |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:58:49 PM |
ncherry |
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I've got some TI stuff and a few one-net stiff (http://one-net.info) |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:59:14 PM |
kdavis |
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cool |
| 2009-05-02 |
09:59:59 PM |
ncherry |
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Lets face it for a retro fit wireless is very nice as long as it plays nice with the rest of the wireless |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:00:29 PM |
ncherry |
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Thisngs like X10's use of the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is not nice |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:01:29 PM |
kdavis |
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need to develop more 5.0ghz stuff |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:02:21 PM |
ncherry |
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Not much available yet for the dev people |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:03:34 PM |
ncherry |
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We had a few nice links to some XBee (ZigBee) stuff for things like the kill-a-watt |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:04:13 PM |
ncherry |
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Despite Juha being a software developer he has no fear of hardware (quite a contrast to most of the sotfware people I've met) |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:04:35 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm hardware and I have to play with the software (gotta make it work ) |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:09:57 PM |
kdavis |
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true |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:15:28 PM |
kdavis |
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alright |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:15:30 PM |
kdavis |
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i'm out of here |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:15:35 PM |
kdavis |
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talk to you all tomorrow |
| 2009-05-02 |
10:15:41 PM |
ncherry |
|
nite |
