| Date |
Time |
From |
To |
Message |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:51:32 AM |
kdavis |
|
morning Juha |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:51:40 AM |
*juha* |
|
hey |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:51:48 AM |
kdavis |
|
how are you? |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:52:22 AM |
*juha* |
|
good... and you? |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:52:41 AM |
kdavis |
|
I'm doing well on this gloomy sunday morning in CT... |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:52:45 AM |
kdavis |
|
what are you upto? |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:54:07 AM |
*juha* |
|
well the usual.. need to complete docs for ORB deployment, put some chinese translation on the website, write a couple of more blogs |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:54:35 AM |
kdavis |
|
blogs for the openremote website? |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:55:40 AM |
*juha* |
|
yeah |
| 2009-05-03 |
06:57:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
cool |
| 2009-05-03 |
07:31:15 AM |
*juha* |
|
from the "completely-useless-gimmicks" department we get slightly transparent menus on the website |
| 2009-05-03 |
07:31:41 AM |
kdavis |
|
hmmm |
| 2009-05-03 |
07:31:45 AM |
kdavis |
|
okok |
| 2009-05-03 |
07:34:37 AM |
kdavis |
|
looks good though |
| 2009-05-03 |
07:36:50 AM |
*juha* |
|
thanks |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:02:40 AM |
jean-luc |
|
sounds like the right thing for a gloomy sunday..  |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:05:09 AM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:05:11 AM |
kdavis |
|
true |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:05:30 AM |
kdavis |
|
good morning |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:07:53 AM |
jean-luc |
|
mning |
| 2009-05-03 |
08:45:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
hopefully the weather turns around.... |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:37:59 AM |
ncherry |
|
Good morning, I decided not to ride today, my riding shoes are stil quishy |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:41:16 AM |
*juha* |
|
heh, you rode in the rain yesterday? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:41:38 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes and it poured! |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:41:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
ewww |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:42:35 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yeah, I was actually rather dry (the cloths wick the water away) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:43:41 AM |
ncherry |
|
... and scenes are purple for an awareness of life. :-/ |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:44:49 AM |
ncherry |
|
I'm listening to the Busch Prion flash presentation |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:45:02 AM |
kdavis |
|
I saw that this morning |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:45:05 AM |
kdavis |
|
interesting stuff |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:45:25 AM |
ncherry |
|
No it isn't, it's the wrong interface to the home |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:45:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
DO you set your alarm? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:45:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
whether it's right or wrong for the home is independent of whether it's interesting. |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:46:09 AM |
ncherry |
|
Actually it sounds like marketing hype |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:47:00 AM |
ncherry |
|
Having an indepedent home is interesting and if they've really done it then they've accomplished one of my goals (rats ) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:47:19 AM |
mredeker |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:47:55 AM |
kdavis |
|
the technology is interesting |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:47:57 AM |
mredeker |
|
hello guys |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:01 AM |
ncherry |
|
Having a touch screen is nice but it's a pain to have to go to one central placec to control the home. The iPhone is nice but it isn't really two way |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:02 AM |
kdavis |
|
what they're doing with it isn't new... |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
Morning! |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:06 AM |
kdavis |
|
HAI can do all of that |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
so can CQC, and others... |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:24 AM |
ncherry |
|
But is it really intelligent? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:25 AM |
kdavis |
|
J9, etc. |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:44 AM |
ncherry |
|
One problem I have is my schedule is not set and very difficult to model |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:54 AM |
kdavis |
|
they're just nicely taking all of the data and displaying it |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:48:58 AM |
ncherry |
|
Does the sytem really adjust? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:04 AM |
kdavis |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:10 AM |
ncherry |
|
Anyone can display it |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:33 AM |
kdavis |
|
change the thermo based on motion patterns |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
etc... |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:40 AM |
mredeker |
|
neil, is that the one i put on the forum? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:44 AM |
ncherry |
|
Actually what I want to seen (long term goal) is the appliances work with the home |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:49:50 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes, mredeker |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:50:28 AM |
ncherry |
|
I've seen it before, it's a really good presentation, I thought it was Australian? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:50:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
Looks like they updated it too |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:50:53 AM |
kdavis |
|
i like there display... they make it look nice |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:50:57 AM |
kdavis |
|
but the concept isn't new |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:51:29 AM |
ncherry |
|
Hmm I'm sounding like negative nancy hear |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:51:45 AM |
ncherry |
|
I think the display is too limiting |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:51:52 AM |
kdavis |
|
in what way? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:01 AM |
mredeker |
|
i will update my living with KNX and was thinking of putting one of those in it |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:04 AM |
ncherry |
|
Too much done through the knob |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:17 AM |
kdavis |
|
the knob is just in 1 video... |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
look at the touch screen stuff |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:29 AM |
mredeker |
|
you have the knob and can have 1 or 3 buttons underneath |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:38 AM |
ncherry |
|
Marcus, if you do please keep us up to date on how well it works |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:50 AM |
kdavis |
|
I wouldn't get the knob |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
If you have a touch screen why do you need to knob and buttons? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:52:55 AM |
kdavis |
|
the touchscreen? definitely |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:02 AM |
mredeker |
|
well i am still planning my setup |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:20 AM |
guest4762 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:20 AM |
mredeker |
|
the touch is with the bigger panel though |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:23 AM |
guest4762 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:38 AM |
ncherry |
|
I think Juha posted a link to a company with an 8.9" touch screenm arm netbook for around $200 |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:48 AM |
kdavis |
|
right |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:52 AM |
ncherry |
|
That would make an excellent touch screen for us |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:53:59 AM |
kdavis |
|
you can use a WebDT for $150 and have the same capabilites |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:54:09 AM |
mredeker |
|
webDT? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:54:16 AM |
ncherry |
|
let me look that up |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:22 AM |
kdavis |
|
we're looking at these for LinuxMCE: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=7867.0 |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:23 AM |
ncherry |
|
http://laptops4me.com/images/pict/TAB-DT366.jpg |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
yes, I have 2 of those in use |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:37 AM |
ncherry |
|
Found them for about $100 (US I guess) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:41 AM |
kdavis |
|
exactly |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:55:54 AM |
kdavis |
|
we're also looking into the crunchpads (when they come out) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:56:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
eww it's got wince (just kidding) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:56:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
which can be replaced  |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:56:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
Multi-touch? |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:56:56 AM |
kdavis |
|
the webdts? No |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:07 AM |
kdavis |
|
crunchpads might be |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:11 AM |
mredeker |
|
well maybe the Apple rumors come true |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:11 AM |
ncherry |
|
I don't know about the ARM system either |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:27 AM |
ncherry |
|
Apple == expensive and controlled |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:32 AM |
ncherry |
|
usually |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:48 AM |
mredeker |
|
jailbreak and its all yours |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:57:53 AM |
mredeker |
|
just like the iphone |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
I'm actually not as much a Linux bigot as I sound |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:11 AM |
kdavis |
|
mredeker: yup... unlock and you're good to go |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:18 AM |
ncherry |
|
Jailbreak doesn't make for a sellable product |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:33 AM |
mredeker |
|
you got a point there |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:43 AM |
ncherry |
|
Remember we want the installers to be able to provide the service to the end custoemr too |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:58:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
Still it's a starting point |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:59:09 AM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:59:24 AM |
ncherry |
|
I think we are at teh verge of all the tool to make Home Automation more ubiqudous (sp?) |
| 2009-05-03 |
09:59:52 AM |
ncherry |
|
Marcus how much for the Prion system? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:01:51 AM |
mredeker |
|
retail its 900€ |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:05 AM |
kdavis |
|
that's the low end or? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:07 AM |
ncherry |
|
That's all? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:17 AM |
guest6429 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:17 AM |
mredeker |
|
that's 200 for the name and 200 for the design |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:44 AM |
ncherry |
|
and $300 for the ethinci programmers of your choice |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:52 AM |
ncherry |
|
sorry |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:02:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
|
| 2009-05-03 |
10:03:10 AM |
mredeker |
|
its knx so you get application for ets todo the programming |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:03:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
I need to learn a little more about KNX so I can talk intelligently but the ETS is the interface we would work with correct? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:05:21 AM |
mredeker |
|
yes, ETS3 is the name and is sold by konnex.org who is the organisation behind KNX and responsible for the standardization |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:05:45 AM |
mredeker |
|
you do all the programming of KNX devices with that tool |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:07:24 AM |
ncherry |
|
Software sitting on a server somewhere? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:08:39 AM |
mredeker |
|
no, its a windows tool |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:08:53 AM |
mredeker |
|
once the KNX devices are programmed you don't need any software anymore |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:09:04 AM |
mredeker |
|
the communicate with each other |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:09:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
So the sytem is locked once it's programmed? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:10:15 AM |
mredeker |
|
you can change programming anytime you want using the software again |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:10:48 AM |
ncherry |
|
Can the customer do that or does the installer only do that? |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:12:33 AM |
mredeker |
|
it depends on the customer |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:12:56 AM |
ncherry |
|
Oh more important question, what file names did you add/change in OR (not all ffiles just a few so I can find them) |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:13:02 AM |
mredeker |
|
i would be the kind who wants todo myself, but on the other hand i also want to be the installer doing for you |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:13:33 AM |
mredeker |
|
my stuff is not commited unless juha put it in |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:13:58 AM |
guest6429 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:14:01 AM |
ncherry |
|
If I'm understadning this correctly, I think that system is a little too restrictive but a safer sell (less support) |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:14:17 AM |
ncherry |
|
Can I get my hands on it? your code |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:14:46 AM |
mredeker |
|
sure, i can sent you the zip that i sent to juha |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:14:53 AM |
mredeker |
|
email? skype? ... |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:15:17 AM |
ncherry |
|
thanks, ncherry@linuxha.com, I won't post it on my web site |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:18:27 AM |
mredeker |
|
it's on it's way |
| 2009-05-03 |
10:18:49 AM |
ncherry |
|
Thanks! |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
KDavis, I just noticed that OSLEC works with other cards, better ones such as the TDM400 that could be important to my setup. |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:15 AM |
ncherry |
|
Thanks for the link! |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:21 AM |
kdavis |
|
ncherry, yes it works with all of those cards |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:24 AM |
kdavis |
|
no problem |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:29 AM |
kdavis |
|
I planned to get a TDM400 myself |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:16:36 AM |
kdavis |
|
but, gonna see if the x100p works fine first |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:17:26 AM |
ncherry |
|
Test it out in a seperate box and try using other programs with it to see what it does and how it works with your system |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:17:40 AM |
ncherry |
|
I recall it being a heavy load on my 1G system |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:18:23 AM |
kdavis |
|
x100p? |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:18:35 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yes |
| 2009-05-03 |
11:18:38 AM |
kdavis |
|
interesting |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:29:44 PM |
mredeker |
|
anybody home? |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:29:59 PM |
kdavis |
|
welcome back |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:04 PM |
mredeker |
|
just saw "Hitch - The date doctor" |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:10 PM |
kdavis |
|
lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:12 PM |
kdavis |
|
sorta late |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:14 PM |
kdavis |
|
very late |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:16 PM |
kdavis |
|
but, ok |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:16 PM |
mredeker |
|
He has a nice Sony wireless remote for HA |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:25 PM |
kdavis |
|
I forget what it was |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:33 PM |
kdavis |
|
but, I've seen the movie |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:30:52 PM |
mredeker |
|
maybe it just says sony but its cool |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:31:19 PM |
mredeker |
|
could be just setup for the moview and no real product though |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:31:29 PM |
kdavis |
|
probably is a real product |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:40:24 PM |
mredeker |
|
i am just looking through some papers i got on this years cebit |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:40:37 PM |
mredeker |
|
there i spoke to some people of embedded systems |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:40:43 PM |
kdavis |
|
ok |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:40:48 PM |
kdavis |
|
how was the convo? |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:41:07 PM |
mredeker |
|
they do some kind of open source system for embedded devices |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:41:22 PM |
mredeker |
|
and they also offer a box similar to OR hardware recommodations |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:41:31 PM |
mredeker |
|
check it out: http://shop.openrb.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=115 |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:42:19 PM |
mredeker |
|
they also have a comparison chart where they have the alix board |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:42:52 PM |
*juha* |
|
cool, could be RI material, pre-built |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:42:55 PM |
kdavis |
|
that would be an interesting comparison |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:43:06 PM |
mredeker |
|
they also are into knx and HA |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:43:30 PM |
*juha* |
|
it's even called ORB :-P |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:43:52 PM |
mredeker |
|
i have a flyer here where they show some cool screenshots with KNX (a floorplan and switches and stuff) |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:06 PM |
*juha* |
|
i was briefly reading about OpenWRT, any experiences? |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:18 PM |
kdavis |
|
juha: been using it for years |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:25 PM |
kdavis |
|
well dd-wrt |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:30 PM |
mredeker |
|
just know it as a open source linux based replace for different routers |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:37 PM |
guest8377 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:44:52 PM |
kdavis |
|
I'm using a wireless router that has OpenWRT right now. |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:45:02 PM |
kdavis |
|
i installed it on my girlfriends wireless router |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:45:26 PM |
kdavis |
|
interesting stuff |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:45:31 PM |
mredeker |
|
the embedded systems guys seem to want to create some kind of open source based system for KNX too |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:46:03 PM |
*juha* |
|
its running PowerPC RISC |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:46:26 PM |
*juha* |
|
what does 400 DMIPS compare to? |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:46:59 PM |
mredeker |
|
the told me that they could even get me KNX devices |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:47:30 PM |
*juha* |
|
32MB seems very low though :-/ |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:47:50 PM |
kdavis |
|
I can see that in use as a thin-client... |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:47:55 PM |
kdavis |
|
behind a touchscreen |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:47:57 PM |
kdavis |
|
like an ELO |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:48:11 PM |
kdavis |
|
CPU-less touchscreen |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:48:40 PM |
*juha* |
|
connector for ARM based board with optional interfaces - ZigBee, HSDPA, GPRS and others. |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:49:29 PM |
*juha* |
|
32MB is a no-go for java middleware, everything else looks great |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:51:07 PM |
mredeker |
|
here is the stuff about there home control: http://www.openrb.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=18 |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:57:47 PM |
*juha* |
|
another board with 64MB, that might be just enough to scrape by |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:57:48 PM |
mredeker |
|
open rb medium has 64mb ram |
| 2009-05-03 |
03:59:06 PM |
*juha* |
|
VGA would be nice for dev. |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:00:25 PM |
*juha* |
|
mm they got Atom ITX boards? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:01:01 PM |
*juha* |
|
EUR 235 |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:01:11 PM |
*juha* |
|
2GB ram |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:01:21 PM |
*juha* |
|
now we're talking |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:03:28 PM |
*juha* |
|
useless HDD but oh well |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:03:50 PM |
mredeker |
|
also the powerpc based can have up to 512mb ram |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:04:07 PM |
*juha* |
|
what's the price then? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:04:20 PM |
mredeker |
|
dunno |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:04:26 PM |
mredeker |
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its mentioned here: http://www.openrb.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=12 |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:07:07 PM |
kdavis |
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*juha*: what was your interest in OpenWRT? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:08:41 PM |
*juha* |
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just looking at different embedded OS's, contiki, tinyOS, etc |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:09:16 PM |
mredeker |
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neil seems to use openWRT too, he is talking about it in his book |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:12:30 PM |
kdavis |
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ok |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:12:39 PM |
kdavis |
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it's been around for a while |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:23:18 PM |
*juha* |
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it's a nice find, I might try ordering a couple |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:23:27 PM |
*juha* |
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they're in Riga |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:23:56 PM |
mredeker |
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when i spoke to them in hannover the were pretty cool |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:24:13 PM |
mredeker |
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young crowd and into things |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:24:46 PM |
kdavis |
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good to have young, thought-provoking people involvedi in HA stuff |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:24:48 PM |
mredeker |
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it would be interesting to know if the KNX stuff is of any use |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:24:57 PM |
*juha* |
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also yes |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:30:22 PM |
ncherry |
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Juha, are you implying that that OpenWRT is old because I wrote about it? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:31:33 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:31:36 PM |
ncherry |
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I really like OpenWRT, I use it on one of my NetgearWGT624 routers for bridging and 2 - WRT routers |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:09 PM |
kdavis |
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I used to use it for OpenVPN |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:21 PM |
kdavis |
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to bridge my apartment in the city and my home upstate |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:27 PM |
ncherry |
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My Netgear needs to be upgraded so this summer I'll sit down with a jtag interface to upgrade it (long story) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:32 PM |
kdavis |
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but, my apartment router fried and my GF bought a new one |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:41 PM |
kdavis |
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but, it isn't supported by dd or open-wrt |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:32:58 PM |
ncherry |
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I've used SSH for that (I aught to check which is more effecient but I'm too lazy) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:33:13 PM |
kdavis |
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yea, OpenSSH can do that as well |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:34:04 PM |
ncherry |
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I use ssh to get to all my stuff (from the internet) I don't put a lot of trust in the gateways themselves |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:34:25 PM |
kdavis |
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openvpn does it via ssl |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:34:41 PM |
kdavis |
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anything over the internet should be incapsulated... period. |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:34:59 PM |
ncherry |
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I put less trust in SSL but I probably shouldn't worry about that as much |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:35:39 PM |
kdavis |
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ssl over...? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:35:46 PM |
ncherry |
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On the embedded stuff, I've got several systems, many ARM and x86. The more exotic the more trouble they are in support |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:36:05 PM |
ncherry |
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SSL, vs IPSEC vs SSH (with IPSEC being the best IMO) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:37:01 PM |
kdavis |
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ok |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:37:15 PM |
kdavis |
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I agree, IP-Sec (plus domain isolation) is the best |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:38:59 PM |
ncherry |
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I expect the OR system to have this kind of access security when it finally gets built the integrators and software management will need it |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:39:25 PM |
kdavis |
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I hope it will |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:39:47 PM |
ncherry |
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It will, it will (in my best Yoda voice) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:39:53 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:40:44 PM |
kdavis |
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especially if it'll be a true whole house control solution |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:41:11 PM |
ncherry |
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I've seen too many systems where security was the last thing added and it usually failed. When I design networks I design with the idea that secure data rides over an insecure network. Same here |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:41:41 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm not sure how to handle the in home stuff (the weakest point) with out being awkward |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:23 PM |
kdavis |
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well, it's tough when you're intermingling technologies |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:26 PM |
ncherry |
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I haven't even given it consideration for scripting |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:37 PM |
kdavis |
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zigbee, zwave, etc... |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:37 PM |
ncherry |
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Yes, that's true |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:44 PM |
kdavis |
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they all have there own risk |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:57 PM |
ncherry |
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X10 being the worst |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:42:58 PM |
kdavis |
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I read an article a while back about someone cracking zwave |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:43:17 PM |
ncherry |
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Can't see that being too difficult |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:43:37 PM |
ncherry |
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modern processors can handle the data, even Insteon is easy to sniff |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:43:48 PM |
kdavis |
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the're working on implementing AES into zwave |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:43:50 PM |
ncherry |
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(sniff the wire) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:44:23 PM |
kdavis |
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I know |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:44:26 PM |
kdavis |
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MiM, etc... |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:44:26 PM |
ncherry |
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I think we'll need a bit better math for that == more expensive products |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:44:32 PM |
ncherry |
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That's the tough balance |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:45:33 PM |
ncherry |
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Marcus, thanks for the code, was it really that simple? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:45:55 PM |
ncherry |
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I expected a lot more code to be added (not that I understand everything yet) |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:46:47 PM |
kdavis |
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what's the code used for again? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:47:10 PM |
ncherry |
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Telnet, sockets and HTTP within OR |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:47:27 PM |
kdavis |
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ewww telent  |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:48:30 PM |
kdavis |
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I'm sure it's for a good reason |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:48:54 PM |
ncherry |
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Yeah, messy, I typically build a 'telnet' interface (really just sockets) for most of my daemons ASCII translated to what ever |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:51:30 PM |
mredeker |
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yes, oit was pretty easy |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:51:43 PM |
mredeker |
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telnet is used to control my mythtv clients |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:52:20 PM |
ncherry |
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Thanks, when I catch up with my Java I'll use it to emulate an ASCII interfaced device so I can create a dummy device to add to OR |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:53:13 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm still trying to figure out how to get the scripting integrated and how to catch 'events' so the script can run based on changes and commands. |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:53:33 PM |
mredeker |
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the socketEvent is using ASCII over socket connection |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:54:17 PM |
ncherry |
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That's the one I'm most interested in as much of what I wrote in the past used that |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:54:50 PM |
ncherry |
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BTW, I have several terminal servers and I hope to get a couple of RS232 IR transceivers working on that |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:55:03 PM |
ncherry |
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Many even one of my Insteon interfaces |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:57:28 PM |
mredeker |
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neil, how far away from NYC do you live? |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:58:12 PM |
ncherry |
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About 30 miles |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:58:20 PM |
ncherry |
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South |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:58:41 PM |
ncherry |
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That's 2 hours by car |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:58:47 PM |
mredeker |
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lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:59:00 PM |
kdavis |
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I live in NYC |
| 2009-05-03 |
04:59:26 PM |
ncherry |
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Better not be Yonkers, if so your from upstate NY. |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:00:04 PM |
mredeker |
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i lived on 57th for 3 years and my mother in law still lives in NYC |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:00:15 PM |
mredeker |
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we will visit for christmas |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:00:27 PM |
kdavis |
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I live in the bronx |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:00:30 PM |
kdavis |
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so yes, NYC |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:00:53 PM |
mredeker |
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my inlaw lives near fordham road |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:01:08 PM |
ncherry |
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Sorry it's a running joke, there are 3 parts to NY state. well 4. The City, Staten Island, Long Island and updtate NY. |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:01:39 PM |
ncherry |
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I used to live on Grand Ave just off Fordham, between University and Jerome |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:02:06 PM |
kdavis |
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ah, ok |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:02:15 PM |
kdavis |
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3 parts of NY city you mean |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:02:25 PM |
kdavis |
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oh, nevermind |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:02:32 PM |
ncherry |
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I was born in da Bronx! |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:03:08 PM |
ncherry |
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Oops update is supposed to be upstate |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:12 PM |
kdavis |
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so was I |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:17 PM |
kdavis |
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albert einstein hospital |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:22 PM |
kdavis |
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forshadowing of course... |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:23 PM |
kdavis |
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j/k |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:27 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:29 PM |
ncherry |
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I guess now I'm a mixed up NY'r/NJ'r, the folks in NJ hear my NY accent, the folks from NY hear my NJ accent |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:04:58 PM |
ncherry |
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I actully don't remember the hospital, but it's long gone |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:05:07 PM |
mredeker |
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with my german accent they always said i am from brooklyn, lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:05:17 PM |
kdavis |
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lol |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:05:50 PM |
ncherry |
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Mom Irish and Dad's from over by Fordham so I've got a weird accent |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:06:06 PM |
ncherry |
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At least I think I used to |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:06:36 PM |
ncherry |
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Now I'm a 'merican, I speak like Goerge W. Bush! |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:06:45 PM |
ncherry |
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Sorry |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:10:15 PM |
mredeker |
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time to hit the sack |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:10:47 PM |
mredeker |
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later... |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:11:11 PM |
ncherry |
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nite |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:11:54 PM |
ncherry |
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I've gotta get back to my reading, gotta learn something (a lot -o-o something) |
| 2009-05-03 |
05:12:07 PM |
kdavis |
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cool |
