| Date |
Time |
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To |
Message |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:08:11 AM |
*juha* |
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keySet() should return a Set, not a Map, as the name implies? |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:11:32 AM |
*juha* |
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and neither set or map are ordered so getting to last object makes no sense |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:11:42 AM |
*juha* |
|
you need a list for ordered list of objects |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:12:43 AM |
*juha* |
|
You can also use SortedSets |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:13:22 AM |
*juha* |
|
or SortedMap |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:14:08 AM |
*juha* |
|
(this is from Java Collections, no idea if Groovy follows any of this) |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:51:13 AM |
marcf |
|
Collections is a cool framework |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:54:31 AM |
marcf |
|
I didn't remember about "SortedSets and Sorted Maps", |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:54:56 AM |
marcf |
|
was looking at the site statistics and it is a very encouraging number |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:55:01 AM |
marcf |
|
1000 pageviews a day |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:55:14 AM |
marcf |
|
200 unique visits |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:55:44 AM |
marcf |
|
increased stickyness of the site (as measured by bounce rate) |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:56:02 AM |
marcf |
|
that means we must be doing something right |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:56:36 AM |
marcf |
|
people who stay spend 5 min |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:57:05 AM |
marcf |
|
then of course those don't include the chat traffic because the average would then be closer to 8 hours |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:57:10 AM |
marcf |
|
with neil alone |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:57:38 AM |
marcf |
|
I am going to do a new pass on the website content |
| 2009-05-06 |
04:58:31 AM |
marcf |
|
With the upcoming releases we can communicate at a feature level and introduce offerings, like the box for example |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:22:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
MarcF, I heard that  |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:26:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
Thanks Guys, I'll check out SortedMap. I knew I was looking at the wrong stuff I just couldn't figure out what the right stuff was |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:27:06 AM |
marcf |
|
You have a mountain a APIs ahead of you |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:30:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
I haven't had my Tea yet, don't talk to me about APIs. |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:31:29 AM |
ncherry |
|
BTW, I already have a mountain of APIs behind me, there are more TLAs in Java than networking! |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:33:15 AM |
*juha* |
|
DIY electric cars -- group of hobbyists in Finland got fed up waiting for the auto industry to sell them affordable electric cars: http://www.sahkoautot.fi/eng |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:38:26 AM |
ncherry |
|
There's a guy in Tennesse  who's been building them for years. All the Hollywood Stars have their cars done there. Neil Young had his 1960's Caddi done there (that just seems envromental moronic in so many ways) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:39:07 AM |
*juha* |
|
they claim GM sold their battery patents to oil companies who are sitting on the tech doing nothing with it... |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:39:33 AM |
marcf |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:40:25 AM |
*juha* |
|
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/ |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:40:46 AM |
ncherry |
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They're not sitting on them doing nothing, they're about to Patent Troll until the run out of oil then they'll be sitting on the new 'fuel' |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:41:01 AM |
*juha* |
|
same effect |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:41:08 AM |
ncherry |
|
Yup! |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:42:08 AM |
ncherry |
|
This where patents suck, they stiffle innovation more than they help it (see the sewing machine patent trolls of the 1800's) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:42:43 AM |
marcf |
|
yeah abuse of the patent system is the plague |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:43:03 AM |
marcf |
|
in theory it is done so that innovation can profit easily |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:43:15 AM |
marcf |
|
in practice it can be used to stiffle competition |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:43:23 AM |
marcf |
|
many examples in software for sure |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:00 AM |
marcf |
|
I was reading "popular science, spanish edition" at the dentist yesterday |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:07 AM |
marcf |
|
there is a slew of electric cars coming online |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:20 AM |
marcf |
|
the Honda CLARITY is the one that sounded about right |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:34 AM |
marcf |
|
I like the look of the NISSAN (mixim?) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:43 AM |
guest1454 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:44:56 AM |
marcf |
|
The Tesla will remain a classic |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:05 AM |
guest6337 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:26 AM |
marcf |
|
The HONDA is Hidrogen |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:39 AM |
marcf |
|
as thermic that fuels the batteries and engine |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:39 AM |
guest6337 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
I've seen good things about the Ford mid-size car, 41 mpg (a gallon of electricity?) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:46 AM |
marcf |
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engine is all electric |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:56 AM |
ncherry |
|
shame only 41 |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:45:57 AM |
marcf |
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Ford? arent they dead? who are they? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:46:18 AM |
ncherry |
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Ford,- I'm not dead yet |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:46:25 AM |
marcf |
|
hehehe |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:47:08 AM |
ncherry |
|
The tesla will be wrapped around a pole 'round here :-/ |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:47:50 AM |
ncherry |
|
I've noticed lately that all the 'lectric cars are automatic type trans, there goes my manual shift, rats |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:48:29 AM |
marcf |
|
the pure electrics do not need clutch |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:48:41 AM |
marcf |
|
the rotor is on the axle and basta |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:48:54 AM |
marcf |
|
so there is no transmission and no changing gear, manually or otherwise |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:49:01 AM |
marcf |
|
which makes for a KILLER experience |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:49:11 AM |
ncherry |
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I think every 'merican should pedal their a** to work (maybe give then a little eltric motor to help them up hills) too much 'Wall-E' being done 'round here |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:49:53 AM |
marcf |
|
where we are going, we dont' need no clutches |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:49:59 AM |
ncherry |
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'round a pole kind of killer. That's the purpose of the transmission to make all that power more controllable |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:50:15 AM |
marcf |
|
blabla bla |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:50:35 AM |
marcf |
|
there is a transmission because there is not enough power out of the engine at low regime |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:50:39 AM |
marcf |
|
period |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:50:47 AM |
ncherry |
|
Do we need am OR module for cars too? (6) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:51:09 AM |
marcf |
|
did you see the video from juha? the geekmyride thing? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:51:18 AM |
ncherry |
|
This time it's the other way around, 'lectric put out too much torque |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:51:25 AM |
marcf |
|
exactly |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:51:35 AM |
ncherry |
|
No, do we have a link in the link coral for it? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:51:51 AM |
marcf |
|
I don't think we have a link coral, no? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:52:09 AM |
ncherry |
|
(One of the many pages with all the link we have) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:52:15 AM |
marcf |
|
talking about "round here", someone pointed out that the electrical is great for farm work |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:52:34 AM |
marcf |
|
torque at low speed is what you need |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:52:49 AM |
marcf |
|
without all the fancy transmission gears |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:53:04 AM |
ncherry |
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Wouldn't be surprised, every on the farm is run off the tractors PTO (Power Tack Off) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:53:06 AM |
marcf |
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no maintenance (not even oil) is a big plus for farms |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:53:33 AM |
ncherry |
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Tack shoul be Take, argh |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:53:45 AM |
marcf |
|
What is PTO anyway? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:54:22 AM |
ncherry |
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It's how all those farm attachments get their power (mechanical) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:55:26 AM |
marcf |
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You need a thermal source, that or a reliable access to the grid |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:55:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
You steal some torque from the drive shaft and put it through a secondary gear box to power things like the cutting blades on the front of the big tractors |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:56:44 AM |
ncherry |
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Farms can have wind, geo, solar or bio (their waste products) to assist in power but they will need the grid |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:57:10 AM |
marcf |
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or a good hydrogen base |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:57:34 AM |
marcf |
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or both yeah |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:57:36 AM |
ncherry |
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Lets face it trains work on electricity since the 1960's (last of the steamers died out here in the US) |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:58:00 AM |
marcf |
|
you ever rid the "TGV" |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:58:05 AM |
marcf |
|
Train a Grande Vitesse |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:58:18 AM |
ncherry |
|
Ugly Russian car, I won't admit to it |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:58:34 AM |
marcf |
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what are you talking about, they are awesome trains |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:59:10 AM |
ncherry |
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Oh, sorry, I thought there was a Russian car called the TGV |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:59:20 AM |
*juha* |
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heh |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:59:50 AM |
ncherry |
|
The TGV is one of the high speed trains? |
| 2009-05-06 |
06:59:55 AM |
*juha* |
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yes |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:00:09 AM |
marcf |
|
you need to get to EU |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:00:29 AM |
marcf |
|
'round here we ride in fast electric trains. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:00:52 AM |
marcf |
|
land in Paris, take the TGV to amsterdam |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:00:57 AM |
ncherry |
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We'll never those here in the US, too many grade level road crossings (they tend to mess up the choo-choo when someone won't wait a few minutes to get their smokes) |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:01:31 AM |
marcf |
|
you have it between NYC and Boston I think |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:01:44 AM |
marcf |
|
they always have a special name |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:01:56 AM |
ncherry |
|
Not a TGV, my friends work for AMTRAK |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:11 AM |
marcf |
|
I am pretty sure it is a TGV |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:12 AM |
ncherry |
|
Accela |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:17 AM |
ncherry |
|
It |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:41 AM |
marcf |
|
in spain for example it is called the "ave" |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:43 AM |
guest3218 |
|
enter the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:02:55 AM |
ncherry |
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It's a custom made French Meatball (Italian and French made by Bombardia (sp?)) |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:03:22 AM |
marcf |
|
bombardier |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:03:33 AM |
ncherry |
|
Sorry |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:00 AM |
marcf |
|
I thought bombardier was planes |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:04 AM |
marcf |
|
oh no, trains... |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:20 AM |
ncherry |
|
Bombardier is into a lot of stuff! |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:24 AM |
guest3218 |
|
quit the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:36 AM |
ncherry |
|
They have military contracts also |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:37 AM |
marcf |
|
if it is french then it is the TGV |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:46 AM |
marcf |
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It sure looks like one |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:04:55 AM |
ncherry |
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Can't argue with that |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:05:09 AM |
marcf |
|
8-) |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:05:37 AM |
ncherry |
|
The train can do up to 200, rumor has it they pushed it on a short section of special track here in NJ |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:05:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
that's mph not kph |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:06:38 AM |
marcf |
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cool, we used to get news of speed record as kids all the time. it was fun |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:06:58 AM |
marcf |
|
I think the french ones on certain tracks can do 450kph |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:07:12 AM |
marcf |
|
which is 290mph? |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:07:51 AM |
marcf |
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I think they cruise at 200mph ({) |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:08:06 AM |
guest8979 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:08:25 AM |
marcf |
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Back to farm I have no idea is the energy requirements are compatible with a electric setup |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:09:20 AM |
marcf |
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you got cutters, diggers, the wheels of course |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:09:28 AM |
marcf |
|
no idea |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:09:44 AM |
ncherry |
|
On the RR the engines convert diesel to electricity to power the trains, on the farm they just wan a PTO electric would work just as well |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:10:37 AM |
ncherry |
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On the farm there is no high speed really everything pretty much moves along slowly so as not to damage the crops |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:05 AM |
ncherry |
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Not much faster than the horse drawn stuff of 2 centuries ago |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:13 AM |
marcf |
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true, good one! |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:23 AM |
marcf |
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as long as we have 2HP we are good |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:25 AM |
guest1454 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:32 AM |
marcf |
|
the Tesla is 253HP |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:11:54 AM |
marcf |
|
What is a usual tractor? |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:12:00 AM |
marcf |
|
in HP diesel engine |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:12:11 AM |
guest3799 |
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quit the room |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:12:45 AM |
marcf |
|
Tractors with less than 25 HP make up the small end of the market. They're capable of handling most basic lawn work, but often can't provide enough power for more demanding jobs like tilling or heavy brush mowing. Between 25 and 65 horsepower is a comfortable middle ground that features tractors with capabilities suited for ranchette communities, horse farms, nurseries, and many commercial uses. Above 65 HP, you get into tractors designed for strenuous agricultural use, such as tilling fields and baling hay |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:13:23 AM |
marcf |
|
The largest tractors for commercial farming feature 200 HP engines or larger. Be aware: in some tractors, the horsepower available to attachments through the power take off (PTO) connection is less than the overall engine horsepower. Some attachments have more specific HP requirements than others, so make sure you check these ratings carefully. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:13:42 AM |
marcf |
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So the power is there |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:13:47 AM |
marcf |
|
question is "capacity" |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:14:05 AM |
marcf |
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I have 200miles autonomy, moving a 2500lbs car around at light speed |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:14:10 AM |
marcf |
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or close |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:15:14 AM |
marcf |
|
Tesla should work with John Deere |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:15:39 AM |
marcf |
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of course it would make for a $200k tractor |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:15:47 AM |
ncherry |
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I think they willin the future |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:16:24 AM |
marcf |
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it will come |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:16:54 AM |
ncherry |
|
You know it's kind of funny the tractors I see Farmers really using are the early 1900 tractors that are maybe 40 - 60 hp (and yes they're still using them) |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:17:16 AM |
marcf |
|
well so much for them breaking down |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:17:19 AM |
marcf |
|
|
| 2009-05-06 |
07:17:27 AM |
ncherry |
|
The company farms are the ones with the huge John Deers, most of the others are Farm-Alls etc. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:18:00 AM |
ncherry |
|
Farmers maintain their equipment well |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:18:09 AM |
marcf |
|
it is capital to them, true |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:19:05 AM |
marcf |
|
I have no idea how much energy I carry around in a full tank |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:19:10 AM |
ncherry |
|
Wish they'd do someting about their chickens! Dang things roost all over. We have a killer chicken squad that we have to watch out for on our bike rides. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:19:10 AM |
marcf |
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of the Tesla I mean |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:19:19 AM |
marcf |
|
he he |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:19:55 AM |
ncherry |
|
Now for the Tesla, where do you put in the Everyready C batteries? |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:20:05 AM |
ncherry |
|
Do you flip up the seat? |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:30:22 AM |
marcf |
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http://www.thedelphicfuture.org/2009/03/tesla-215-second-impressions.html |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:32:00 AM |
marcf |
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sometimes I flip the seat, sometimes I forget |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:36:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
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| 2009-05-06 |
07:38:46 AM |
ncherry |
|
Word of warning, keep an eye on the drive train. That kind of acceleration must be murder on the drive train. My friend used to drag race and he would destroy the custom Ford 9" rear all the time. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:40:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
BTW, my friend and I had a run in with a lady on an electric bike. We all met up at a stop light, light changed she took off fast, we caught up and she was surprised. They accelerate fast but they don't run fast, We dropped her pretty badly |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:42:28 AM |
ncherry |
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Oh, the 180 mile range on the Tesla is real nice. On my commute I'd need to top off everyday to handle the 200 mile week. |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:42:58 AM |
ncherry |
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Most of the other 'lectrics are good for around 80 to 100 miles, not very useful really |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:43:40 AM |
ncherry |
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Well I've gotta run into the lab (do real work today ), see ya! |
| 2009-05-06 |
09:46:49 AM |
*juha* |
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mmm, IntelliJ 9 will have Android support.. |
| 2009-05-06 |
10:24:39 AM |
marcf |
|
http://www.cepro.com/article/code_ownership_best_buy_staff_top_ce_pros_focus?utm_source=CEPWeekly&utm_medium=email |
| 2009-05-06 |
10:24:45 AM |
marcf |
|
a discussion of 'escrow' |
| 2009-05-06 |
11:03:05 AM |
*juha* |
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ooo... nice article |
| 2009-05-06 |
11:04:09 AM |
*juha* |
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the highlighted comments really speak volumes |
| 2009-05-06 |
11:05:09 AM |
*juha* |
|
big opportunity for us |
| 2009-05-06 |
11:08:57 AM |
*juha* |
|
Haddad estimates that he would have to charge one of the affected clients $50,000 "just to sort it all out," |
| 2009-05-06 |
11:10:35 AM |
*juha* |
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"If integrators need to hold their customers hostage by keeping the source code, then perhaps they're in the wrong business." |
| 2009-05-06 |
12:08:52 PM |
niklas |
|
is it just my imagination or did the OR website just start to refer to OR as software for "digital home" instead of "autonomous home"? |
| 2009-05-06 |
12:09:11 PM |
*juha* |
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your imagination is playing tricks on you |
| 2009-05-06 |
12:09:15 PM |
niklas |
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ok |
| 2009-05-06 |
12:09:46 PM |
niklas |
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I was so sure about it |
| 2009-05-06 |
07:25:04 PM |
kdavis |
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greetings |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:41:47 PM |
ncherry |
|
MarcF/Juha, on the question of Electronic Home/CE Pro's question on who own the code article - the problem still exists that these very expensive systems are not made to have thing from outside talk to them. Heck they're not even made to be reprogrammed without great effort. I think this will be to our advantage. Being Open Source does give us a different mind set |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:42:52 PM |
kdavis |
|
when you say 'expensive systems', that's relative |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:43:04 PM |
kdavis |
|
you have the Crestrons and AMX's, which are extremely closed |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:43:19 PM |
kdavis |
|
and then you have the Elks, HAI's that are very open |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:43:42 PM |
kdavis |
|
Crestron/AMX are extremely expensive, tens of thousands of dollars |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:43:49 PM |
kdavis |
|
Elk, HAI are thousands |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:43:52 PM |
kdavis |
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sometimes less |
| 2009-05-06 |
08:44:18 PM |
kdavis |
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you can get an entry level HAI system (there highest model panel) for ~$1,500.00 |
| 2009-05-06 |
09:10:51 PM |
ncherry |
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Sorry about that Ken, no sound (browser problem) |
| 2009-05-06 |
09:11:36 PM |
ncherry |
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Yes, I meant the Crestron and AMXs of the world (in the specific case of th eLink that MarcF brought up Crestron) |
| 2009-05-06 |
09:12:15 PM |
ncherry |
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Elk and HAI are open as there are a number of project that can interface to these systems |
