| Date |
Time |
From |
To |
Message |
| 2009-05-07 |
01:08:48 AM |
ncherry |
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Yeah! Emacs key binding and Groovy plugins added to Eclipse Ganymede installed on Ubuntu (3.2 is also installed, I'll remove it later) |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:08:58 AM |
*juha* |
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hey |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:09:14 AM |
kdavis |
|
morning |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:09:20 AM |
kdavis |
|
i'll be leaving for work |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:09:28 AM |
*juha* |
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was just reading debian forked glibc |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:09:39 AM |
kdavis |
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for some reason my client blocks the ability to connect to this chat |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:09:53 AM |
kdavis |
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I wish this was on IRC, then I can connect during theday |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:01 AM |
*juha* |
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must be blocking the IP address to the host |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:12 AM |
kdavis |
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possibly |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:16 AM |
kdavis |
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i'll ttyl |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:22 AM |
*juha* |
|
later |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:29 AM |
*juha* |
|
so back to debian.. |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:45 AM |
*juha* |
|
they forked glibc to better support embedded systems |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:10:48 AM |
*juha* |
|
e.g. ARM |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:11:07 AM |
*juha* |
|
nasty flame wars |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:05:55 AM |
ncherry |
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Juha, saw the infor on the glib/eglib wars. Seems the Glib maintainer referes to the debian request for a bugs fix in a derogatory manner. |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:06:44 AM |
ncherry |
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Seems the maintainer does like that embedded stuff hence the fork, if true then it was the correct thing to do. |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:07:17 AM |
*juha* |
|
will be interesting to see what happens |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:07:57 AM |
*juha* |
|
bottom line for me is: better ARM support on Linux => easier to get software on ARM => less headaches for me |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:08:21 AM |
ncherry |
|
Well Debian does have some weight so I expect the may become a standard but we already have uclib and a few others |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:08:44 AM |
ncherry |
|
Very true! Especially since ARM is about to become very important |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:09:27 AM |
*juha* |
|
so for instance if I get (purely hypothetical) Voyage on both Alix x85 and some ARM architecture then Voyage becomes my single integration layer |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:09:37 AM |
*juha* |
|
x86 |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:09:54 AM |
*juha* |
|
Voyage == Debian based |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:10:57 AM |
*juha* |
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I'm sure there are a thousand more issues there to solve but having on of the most used core libraries support ARM would be a good start |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:11:11 AM |
*juha* |
|
on = one |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:11:14 AM |
*juha* |
|
I can't type for shit |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:36:51 AM |
ncherry |
|
Somewhere in the world it's 3am, you need Coffee  |
| 2009-05-07 |
08:38:39 AM |
ncherry |
|
If I were to create our own distribution then it would be based on Debian. There are quite a few things I don't like about Debian but it has some of the best tools for maintaining a dist |
| 2009-05-07 |
01:25:21 PM |
*juha* |
|
Chinese translations of the most popular overview pages are online here: http://openremote.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2424851 |
| 2009-05-07 |
02:51:58 PM |
*juha* |
|
offtopic: two great talks on fast forwarding the human evolution: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/juan_enriquez_shares_mindboggling_new_science.html http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/gregory_stock_to_upgrade_is_human.html |
| 2009-05-07 |
04:35:29 PM |
mredeker |
|
hi guys |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:05:40 PM |
*juha* |
|
hey marcus |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:26:16 PM |
mredeker |
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juha, i just booked the citizenM city in ams |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:26:30 PM |
mredeker |
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jörg said he will stay there also |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:27:25 PM |
ncherry |
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I'm jealous but I still can't go. :@ |
| 2009-05-07 |
05:31:53 PM |
ncherry |
|
Borg Human Evolution, monkeying ( ) with evo |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:01:19 PM |
kdavis |
|
greetings |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:01:30 PM |
ncherry |
|
Hello! |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:01:39 PM |
kdavis |
|
how was the day? |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:02:22 PM |
ncherry |
|
Wet but I'm making up for by by plotting my bike route for Satr\urday |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:02:35 PM |
kdavis |
|
true |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:11:36 PM |
ncherry |
|
Here we go, 109 miles (almost 200 km): http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Cranbury-Imlaystown-CooksTown-Whiting-Tabernacle |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:12:11 PM |
kdavis |
|
nice |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:13:18 PM |
ncherry |
|
I like Bikely.com, I get an idea, I put it on a map and poof a pretty picture. Takes me about 10 minutes to build a new route of 100 - 120 miles. |
| 2009-05-07 |
06:14:33 PM |
ncherry |
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Ooops, gotta pop out and kill some weeds before another rain storm pulls through. Hopefully I can get in 20 - 30 miles tonight before bed. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:07:54 PM |
jean-luc |
|
good evening guys. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:08:14 PM |
ncherry |
|
Hi Jean-Luc! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:08:20 PM |
jean-luc |
|
How's the weather up north? Pretty bad I hear. Here in New Orleans it's 10 at night an 84 degrees |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:08:24 PM |
jean-luc |
|
not bad at all |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:08:36 PM |
ncherry |
|
What's up with the marsh mellows and gators? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:08:45 PM |
ncherry |
|
The weather is wet! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:09:05 PM |
ncherry |
|
The ground can't hold anymore and it's jsut sitting there. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:09:46 PM |
ncherry |
|
It got sunnty this afternoon, so I mowed the lawn and tonight I went out for a quick ride (with lights) it was fun |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:10:22 PM |
jean-luc |
|
good for you |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:14:50 PM |
jean-luc |
|
so what did I miss these two days here? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:15:48 PM |
jean-luc |
|
digitaldan around today? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:15:58 PM |
ncherry |
|
It's been a bit quiet but there was a discussion on who owned the code when an installer installs a system plus a few othe rthings |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:00 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I went to visit the HAI people today |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:05 PM |
jean-luc |
|
okay |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:08 PM |
jean-luc |
|
interesting |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:12 PM |
ncherry |
|
Not seen him but I have really looked |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:12 PM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: how was the meeting? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:26 PM |
jean-luc |
|
interesting for sure. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:40 PM |
jean-luc |
|
They have been around for a very long time and seem to be doing quite okay. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:52 PM |
jean-luc |
|
Diversify is what they've done |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:55 PM |
kdavis |
|
jean-luc: yes, they're doing well |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:16:58 PM |
ncherry |
|
They're got a very good reputation |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:17:10 PM |
jean-luc |
|
so the can hook up and connect to many and they have a broad range of stuff |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:17:50 PM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:18:05 PM |
kdavis |
|
I think they compete with Crestron/AMX for low end stuff |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:18:18 PM |
kdavis |
|
there are certain areas they don't touch though |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:18:25 PM |
kdavis |
|
they're not good at telephony |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:18:58 PM |
kdavis |
|
they've just broken into audio/video, but don't do it well enough to compete (yet) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:19:17 PM |
kdavis |
|
they probably have the best thermostat on the market |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:19:20 PM |
kdavis |
|
RC-2000 |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:19:53 PM |
jean-luc |
|
their origins is in security so then the heating/cooling stuff and then more I guess. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:20:07 PM |
jean-luc |
|
Very nice interaction with the philips pronto stuff. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:20:13 PM |
jean-luc |
|
No coincidence there |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:20:17 PM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:21:44 PM |
kdavis |
|
there OmniPro panel is really good |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:21:48 PM |
kdavis |
|
i'm considering buying it |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:21:56 PM |
kdavis |
|
but holding off for now |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:22:26 PM |
kdavis |
|
openremote will soon probably be able to control it (via DigitalDan) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:18 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes he is working on it |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:30 PM |
jean-luc |
|
they have some nice smart panel stuff too |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:41 PM |
jean-luc |
|
newest one coming is windows ... |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:49 PM |
jean-luc |
|
tablet pc basicly |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:53 PM |
kdavis |
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yup |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:23:58 PM |
jean-luc |
|
bit heavy for my taste |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:24:09 PM |
kdavis |
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well, openremote would replace that, right? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:24:29 PM |
jean-luc |
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we you could use openremote webbased on that |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:24:43 PM |
jean-luc |
|
they have a webbased iphone app right now |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:24:48 PM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:24:57 PM |
jean-luc |
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is pretty decent, but of course native is nicer (can be) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:25:03 PM |
kdavis |
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or you can just buy a webpad (cheaper than what HAI offers) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:25:26 PM |
kdavis |
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and use the webbased via the web bad (like a webdt) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:25:32 PM |
jean-luc |
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all in all a good company, smart pragmatic and 'have been there a long time'. Pretty open for developers too |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:25:54 PM |
jean-luc |
|
They are also almost done with modeller software in .Net for that tablet mainly |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:26:04 PM |
kdavis |
|
yup |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:26:12 PM |
kdavis |
|
i recently signed up for there dev program |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:26:33 PM |
jean-luc |
|
I still think that it will be very hard to beat the ipod touch price point with any 'smart' panel |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:26:53 PM |
kdavis |
|
I agree |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:05 PM |
jean-luc |
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and especially not the price / quality point. That thing is so sleek, smart, big(memory), fast ... |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:05 PM |
kdavis |
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I got my webpads in exchange for linuxmce dev work |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:14 PM |
ncherry |
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Creston thinks the ipod/iphone is a joke (their quote not mine) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:15 PM |
jean-luc |
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for 249$ |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:31 PM |
kdavis |
|
Crestron just came out with an iPhone app |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:32 PM |
jean-luc |
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first they laugh, then they .... then ... you win |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:27:42 PM |
ncherry |
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Yup! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:28:01 PM |
kdavis |
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so it must not be that laughable |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:28:12 PM |
jean-luc |
|
first phase ... denail |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:28:15 PM |
jean-luc |
|
denia |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:28:26 PM |
kdavis |
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exactly |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:28:57 PM |
ncherry |
|
Dementia? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:10 PM |
kdavis |
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but with HAI, with physical security, it's good to keep it with one provider/panel |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:17 PM |
kdavis |
|
so, HAI panel, sensors, alarms, etc... |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:24 PM |
jean-luc |
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denial |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:25 PM |
kdavis |
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then use a linuxmce or openremote to control it |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:32 PM |
jean-luc |
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doing to many things at a time |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:38 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:29:54 PM |
jean-luc |
|
hai hw + OR will be pretty straightforward |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:30:05 PM |
jean-luc |
|
they do support a lot of stuff though that we don't support yet |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:30:41 PM |
kdavis |
|
right, so the HAI panel would support whatever OR doesn't support directly and you use OR to control it via the HAI panel |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:31:03 PM |
jean-luc |
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actually the panels are not even that complicated. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:31:11 PM |
jean-luc |
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It's just that NOW we;re not there yet |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:31:15 PM |
kdavis |
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nothing is complicated  |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:31:49 PM |
jean-luc |
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right just like there are no secrets, only information you don't have yet! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:32:00 PM |
kdavis |
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exactly |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:32:21 PM |
kdavis |
|
I mean, there are certain technologies that will never be open to the community that HAI might have support for |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:32:29 PM |
kdavis |
|
thus, you just use HAI panel to control those techs |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:33:00 PM |
jean-luc |
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could be. But I would hope to be able to come to a point where the panel of choice will be 'our' software based panel |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:33:07 PM |
jean-luc |
|
running on whatever |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:33:19 PM |
jean-luc |
|
(most likely ipod.iphone) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:33:42 PM |
kdavis |
|
well, something has to be used to control the devices |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:33:53 PM |
kdavis |
|
your 'core' as what we call it in LinuxMCE |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:10 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:28 PM |
kdavis |
|
so, your core would connect to all devices that the core/OR support |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:37 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:42 PM |
kdavis |
|
all others could be connected to the HAI panel, as an example |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:49 PM |
jean-luc |
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and also the modeller would support it |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:34:55 PM |
jean-luc |
|
yes |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:35:45 PM |
kdavis |
|
is there any SVN or detailed roadmap published for OR? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:36:34 PM |
jean-luc |
|
svn as in the code? |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:36:42 PM |
jean-luc |
|
the code is in svn (sourceforge) |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:37:01 PM |
jean-luc |
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detailled roadmap not yet. THere is a 'roadmap' on the site. |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:37:12 PM |
jean-luc |
|
Or you can come to Amsterdam... |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:37:24 PM |
kdavis |
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no money to do so  |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:38:04 PM |
kdavis |
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I'll have to wait until it hits DVD |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:38:07 PM |
kdavis |
|
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| 2009-05-07 |
10:38:23 PM |
jean-luc |
|
we will be recording some stuff. I'll bring my Flip cam! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:38:34 PM |
kdavis |
|
cool |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:44:29 PM |
kdavis |
|
good night all! |
| 2009-05-07 |
10:44:36 PM |
jean-luc |
|
ciao |
